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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby benzoil » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 12:26:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'G')reat all we need to do is a detail seismic exploration of the Coast of the US, drill test wells and then get the best fields into production.


That should add some comfort to the PO collapse in 2015.


Pretty much. The timing is simply election year posturing. Congress has to repeal it's own ban, so this is a way to try and make the Dem-controlled Congress look bad. Of course, making Congress look bad is like shooting fish in a barrel. The institution is simply not designed for rapid action. Congress was designed for deliberation and consensus - things that are not particularly valued any more.

Without any particular knowledge of what is up in Congress on this front, look for a partial lifting of the ban that allows siesmic exploration only or something of that ilk before the election. OTOH, Pelosi, et al, have shown an unnerving habit of caving to the administration, so maybe a full lifting is forthcoming.
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby TreeFarmer » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 13:21:54

Eli;

Is Bank fo America really close to collapse or is this just a case of the share price going down with all the other banks as part of the herd mentality? I know in the S&L crisis of the 80's that happened and my Dad and I made a killing when one of the local banks' share price returned to normal a year later.

Now, this is NOT to say that a number of banks are not in trouble. I believe that they are.

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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby Chuckmak » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 13:31:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'S')obering link to banks and their share price, these are all banks close to collapsing.

Banks close to failure

Look at 52 week average, oh my lord.


Crap...one of these is my bank:

First Commonwealth Financial Corp. (FCF)
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby benzoil » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 13:51:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'S')obering link to banks and their share price, these are all banks close to collapsing.

Banks close to failure

Look at 52 week average, oh my lord.


Crap...one of these is my bank:

First Commonwealth Financial Corp. (FCF)


Try banking at Nat City. Not a good day. I expect a queue to form tomorrow after everyone in town watches the nightly news. Still, I will sleep easier knowing that in 5-7 short years, we'll be able to drive to some other bank using oil from the continental shelf.
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Pres Bush opens offshore drilling in banned areas

Postby SoylentGreen » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 15:42:29

I just heard this blurb on CNBC...anybody that knows anymore.....
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Re: Pres Bush opens offshore drilling in banned areas

Postby burtonridr » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 15:49:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoylentGreen', 'I') just heard this blurb on CNBC...anybody that knows anymore.....


What blurb? Do you mean the on top blurb?

Or did you mean to post a link?
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby Novus » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:31:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'S')obering link to banks and their share price, these are all banks close to collapsing.

Banks close to failure

Look at 52 week average, oh my lord.


I am surprised to see a bank such as Valley National on that list as they were known for their strict lending practices. They would have exactly zero exposure to the sub prime crisis so if they are in trouble in means low risk debtors are defaulting on their payments and no one's money is safe.
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby dinopello » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:41:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'S')obering link to banks and their share price, these are all banks close to collapsing.

Banks close to failure

Look at 52 week average, oh my lord.


That's a pretty long list. But what's kind of odd is not a single one of those "banks" offers a dividend.
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby ROCKMAN » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:48:35

Actually Novus a couple of months ago I saw a report showing prime defaults were increasing faster than subprime. Still relatively low overall. Just a statistical factor given how far and fast subprimes have fallen already. But I haven't seen another story about prime mort failures since. But given that we're just starting to see the affect of $70/bbl oil on the economy there's no telling how prime mort defaults may be running in 12 to 24 months.
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 21:27:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he president's direct link between record gas prices and offshore drilling glossed over a key point. Even if Congress agreed, the exploration for oil would take years to produce real results


Isnt' that a reason for Congress to get started as soon as possible rather then delaying exploration of the OCS for another 30 years? :)
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby Lore » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 22:16:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he president's direct link between record gas prices and offshore drilling glossed over a key point. Even if Congress agreed, the exploration for oil would take years to produce real results


Isnt' that a reason for Congress to get started as soon as possible rather then delaying exploration of the OCS for another 30 years? :)


Now why would they want to break their fine habbit? They've had longer to address global warming.
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Re: Bush lifts offshore drilling ban

Postby eastbay » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 22:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')ame deal as before. The Congressional ban still holds, and the democratic leaders of Congress refuse to allow drilling in new areas offshore. They think the solution to the US energy problem is to sue OPEC and drain the strategic petroleum reserve.



Not this time. It'll be rubber stamped by Congress quicker than the Bush war budgets were. It won't do a thing to offset PO, but it'll mean that in a few years we'll see oil drilling up and down both coasts... in places oil is known to exist.
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Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 17:37:32

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (dem-SF) reiterated her opposition to offshore oil drill, and she won't allow any new areas to be opened for oil exploration

Pelosi says NO to opening up new areas of OCS

Pelosi and leader of the Senate Harry Reid (dem-NV) are committed to keeping the ban against opening more of the OCS to oil drilling, and since they and their fellow democrats control both houses of Congress, its a done deal.

No new offshore areas opened to oil drilling means no possibility of significant new sources of domestic oil for the U.S. I guess the democrats are counting on their lawsuit against OPEC to provide the US with some kind of oil supply. 8)
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Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby lawnchair » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 18:02:32

Any major oil discoveries, at this late stage in the game, are going to be offshore somewhere. Playing the "pollution card" at home (with a reasonably regulated industry) means our demand will be fulfilled by generally less-regulated, more polluting offshore drilling on someone's beach.

Hegemonic, ain't it. But, who am I kidding. We'll gladly let the cadmium flow in someone else's river to save a buck or two.
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Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby darwinsdog » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 18:12:24

Good for Nancy I Harry. I hope they stick to their guns. But then, they also promised to end the Iraq occupation...
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Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 18:38:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lawnchair', 'o')ur demand will be fulfilled by generally less-regulated, more polluting offshore drilling on someone's beach.


No problemo.

We are happy to send our dollars overseas in return for oil.

And, as a bonus, they can have all the high wage construction jobs and oil service industry jobs and geophysics and other oil company professional jobs too. We don't need any stinkin' oil industry jobs, as long as we can keep our economy humming along by building and selling each other those deluxe tacky condos by the beach.
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Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby heroineworshipper » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 18:45:09

Once the cannibalism starts, they'll be saying "you know, offshore drilling was a lot easier than this."
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Re: Speaker Pelosi says no to more offshore oil drilling

Postby pedalling_faster » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 18:58:15

the last few days i've been driving in San Diego & listened to el Rushbo (Rush Limbaugh) and that's one of the biggest thingsss they're going on about. As PMS noted, Rush's enunciiiiation is ssstellar these daysss, he pronounces words completely when he's not mumbling, and pays particular attention to S.

listening Limbaugh and his callers talk about energy policy is like watching a monkey play with a Rubik's cube. i wish i could get paid money to add some factsss to their show.

anyway, i've heard people refer to Iraqi & other oil as "money in the bank". we're going to drill eventually.

since the sometimes Democratic objection to drilling is environmental concerns, and the best way to drill is carefully, i wish someone would point out that is best for the environment is to start now, so the project managers can take their time & do it carefully. rather than wait till we're in dire straits & need it bad. which i guess we are & do, which is why el Rushbo is going on about it.

so i, normally a democratic liberal, actually agree with El Rushbo about something.

plus he was actually condemning windpower because there was a case where an abundance of windpower led to a hydro facility being idled, which hurt some fish. Rush expressed concern about the fish as part of his odd ongoing condemnation of wind power.

I think they're soliciting for freelance renewable energy bashers. if you can deliver some well documented news materials about foibles & glitches with renewable, i think the EIB network (Excellencccce in Broadcasting) might have a job opening for you.
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