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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:13:49

6-oz Star-Kist tuna can was 95 cents at my grocery store yesterday. Ugh. :(
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Kingcoal » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:33:05

Keep up the informative posts, Mack, it's good info. Sounds like people are cutting out the luxuries; Barbecues, steak a couple times a week, etc. Ramon noddles should do very well in the coming years!
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby kpeavey » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:46:44

Nice post, your input is an excellent addition to the site.

I have a few areas of interest in the supermarket industry that you may be able to shed some light on.

Out of stock items
Discontinued items
Delivery schedules
Sales volume per customer
Large volume packaging

Out of stock items. When an item is found to be out of stock for a brief period of time, do shoppers tend to skip that item or use a substitute brand? If substitution is the response, is there a tendency toward higher grade or lower grade products?

Discontinued items. I've projected in other posts that companies will discontinue product lines in order to streamline their operations. This would result in those items being discontinued at the store level without fanfare. Has this been occurring? To what extent? Does the store find a replacement product or simply frill the shelves with more of what they still carry?

Delivery schedules. Has the recent increase in fuel prices altered delivery times, frequency of trucks, capacity of trucks or any other trucking procedures?

Sales volume per customer. Has the number of items sold changed in any way. This may indicate that people are stocking up or altering their shopping frequency with extra purchases or cutting expenses with fewer purchases.

Large volume packaging. Is there a noticable trend in the bulk items, i.e. big sacks of sugar or flour vs the 5 pound sacks, family pack meats vs individual steaks, the big pack of toilet paper vs 4 rolls at a time.

Finally, I am interested in the ability of the store to respond quickly to a sharp increase in sales volume as a result of some external event. An example would be batteries and bottled water when a hurricane approaches. What would be the criteria for a store to receive a delivery out of its regular cycle.

Any information you can provide would help paint a picture of the trends as food and fuel prices rise.

Thank you.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby JJ » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:49:00

thanks for posting, I work in a grocery store also. And keep trying to quit smoking. I did twelve years ago and wish I had never smoked a cigarette. Our local paper printed a list of stealth price increases, for example the sixteen ounce flat of bacon is now 12 ounces but the same price. Yesterday I was looking for something to eat for lunch, looking at the sardines, and i noticed 2/1.00, so I picked one up. It seems about the size of a quarter. I didn't look at the weight, but the can was like 2/3 the size of the old can, but in the SAME box (rattles around).
I work in produce, potatoes went from 2.99 to 7.99 a bag for an eight pound bag, everything else is falling in line. The last two weeks, my boss has come in gloating with record sales ceritificates saying we have set alltime store records for AWESOME UNPRECEDENTED SALES. He's really excited (he gets a percentage of sales, as did all employees until last year). I told him you will set record, unprecedented sales from here on out, as you are not selling any more, rather the prices are higher. He just stared at me.
He has been listening to myself and my co-worker talk about peak oil for two years now; he absolutely doesn't believe it. We were talking about the Fortis/6000 bank collapse thing last week when he left on vacation. When he came back this morning, my co-worker told him about Indymac and Fannie Mae/Freddy Mac. My co-worker said he looked like the gates of hell had just closed on him....

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did you notice the size of the loaves of bread changed? four inches longer but an inch narrower all the way around...
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby killJOY » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:51:13

Why the hell can't you get lemon juice anymore?

It seems always to be OS.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby JJ » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 10:52:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'W')hy the hell can't you get lemon juice anymore?

It seems always to be OS.


we can't get bag lemons in produce anymore...
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Jack » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 11:09:41

Great post, Mack12345!

Thank you for your informative posts.

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby burtonridr » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 11:13:42

I didnt even notice the change in the size of cans and things!!!

I did notice the can of mandarin oranges was just below 3/4 full from the can I just bought......

Ridiculous! :evil:
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby JJ » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 11:21:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', 'T')hanks! I wish we had more front line posters like you. The tuna thing caught me by surprise and I will be looking for that the next time I go shopping. I'm not greatly unhappy about it as 6 oz of tuna is more than my wife and I can eat at a meal after I've mixed it into some dish.

As for the other things, some of it just reflects my impression of what's happening at the grocery stores and helps explain why certain items (such as grilling accessories) are going away.

BTW, are strike-anywere matches readily available there? I found only one place so far that carries them here in central Virginia.

Also, recently there was a huge increase in soup prices, here... have you seen that, there?


buying strike anywhere matches and windshield washing fluid here by bulk can get you one the watch list (they use them to make meth)
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 11:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mack12345', 'D')ecresed there standard can size from 6oz to 5 oz in my store .


There oughtta be a law ...........
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby eric_b » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 11:59:25

Interesting to hear.

I supported myself stocking grocery shelves for many years, usually working 3rd shift.

So I'm familiar with JIT food delivery. lol. We're in the age of a large regional warehouses shipping food out to local grocery stores as needed, several time a week if not everyday. It's all trucked.

'Same price, smaller package' syndrome is everywhere these days. Now would be an interesting time to work grocery. I've often wondered, as have many others, what peak oil is going to do to the grocery store.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby setag » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 12:06:09

Mack, i do remember you and was hoping you would check in. You are on the front lines and the info is helpful. Good job on the report and the preps you are making are impressive.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby AQIUS » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 12:11:23

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby jlw61 » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 14:04:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', 'T')hanks! I wish we had more front line posters like you. The tuna thing caught me by surprise and I will be looking for that the next time I go shopping. I'm not greatly unhappy about it as 6 oz of tuna is more than my wife and I can eat at a meal after I've mixed it into some dish.

As for the other things, some of it just reflects my impression of what's happening at the grocery stores and helps explain why certain items (such as grilling accessories) are going away.

BTW, are strike-anywere matches readily available there? I found only one place so far that carries them here in central Virginia.

Also, recently there was a huge increase in soup prices, here... have you seen that, there?



buying strike anywhere matches and windshield washing fluid here by bulk can get you one the watch list (they use them to make meth)


Unless you pay cash and nobody asks for your ID. If the guberment wants to waste time watching me, so much the better. I've got a green house, think they'll want to check that out? I've got over 3,000 rounds of ammunition (arsenal!). And I'm a Libertarian (oh no!).

Seriously, if they need a need to watch me, we're past the brink.

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby JJ » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 14:35:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'I')nteresting to hear.

I supported myself stocking grocery shelves for many years, usually working 3rd shift.

So I'm familiar with JIT food delivery. lol. We're in the age of a large regional warehouses shipping food out to local grocery stores as needed, several time a week if not everyday. It's all trucked.

'Same price, smaller package' syndrome is everywhere these days. Now would be an interesting time to work grocery. I've often wondered, as have many others, what peak oil is going to do to the grocery store.


we get seven trucks a day, feeding 10,000 people a day here in little Burnet, Tx.

with regards to the matches, I personaly am not worried about them tracking me. Talking to the chief of police last night; he said they have the technology but nowhere near the manpower to monitor ten thousand different "lists".
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 14:42:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') believe the reason Costco is so successful is they only stock one SKU under each food category. One brand of toothpaste, one kind of frozen potatoes, etc. They buy the most quantity at the lowest price and pass savings on to the consumer.

Modern supermarkets stock 10,000's of products when people need only meat, pasta and bread, veggies and some canned goods. And toilet paper and toothpaste.

These monster stores are expensive to heat and cool and require miles to drive. They are dinosaurs.


Not true. Costco typically has 3-4 different toothpastes. Also they tend to carry 2+ SKUs for many food categories as well. You do get some choice shopping there.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby Ang » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 15:30:00

Hi Mack, great post. Your positive attitude really came through!!!! Good to hear about your weight loss and as a former smoker, I encourage you to try again, you'll get there. I've noticed a lot of changes at the grocery store, however I'm just grateful they still have food on the shelves. :-)

Be sure to get some practice time in with your weapons. I've been to the range off and on for the past year and still feel I need to be a little more comfortable with them.

Keep us updated!!
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby eric_b » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:05:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') believe the reason Costco is so successful is they only stock one SKU under each food category. One brand of toothpaste, one kind of frozen potatoes, etc. They buy the most quantity at the lowest price and pass savings on to the consumer.

Modern supermarkets stock 10,000's of products when people need only meat, pasta and bread, veggies and some canned goods. And toilet paper and toothpaste.

These monster stores are expensive to heat and cool and require miles to drive. They are dinosaurs.



Large supermarket/grocery store is an interesting place.

It's full of food, yet strangely sterile. Well lit, yet shadowless. Full of products with very colorful labels. It used to be with certain products, such as cereals, more money was spent on the packaging and full color printing than on the grains inside. People, especially women, have a deep seated need to forage. The grocery store is where people can now do their foraging in climate controlled comfort. Perhaps all those colorful labels are meant to approximate a garden in bloom, or just countless millennia picking fruit from trees.

There certainly are more than 10,000 redundant products. A few that stand out from memory. Salad dressings: strange oily goos, all amounting to substantially the same thing with slight flavor variations. Meant to be dumped on vegetables. Sooo many processed tomato products - jarred/canned spaghetti sauces, stewed and steamed and diced and flavored canned tomatoes. Zillions of salsas, Catsup and the like. The Campbells' soup empire, for those that need their RDA of MSG. Jello - a nightmare to stock and face all those little boxes. Sugar and ground up horse toenails for desert, with fake colorings. I hated stocking baby food. Even for someone like me with skinny hands/wrists it was a huge PITA.

Other things I HATED stocking - water & juice. A huge waste of energy to ship and stock the stuff, for minimal calories. Frozen concentrated juices are better, but then there's the electricity consumed to keep them frozen. 'The cleaning isle' - soap, laundry detergent, etc. - wow, talk about an olfactory assault, stocking that stuff would leave your sense of smell decimated. And the boxes were hard to break down.

SO they're dinosaurs, however even a person doing all their own
cooking and eating very little processed food requires a certain minimum. It might be possible to reduce trucking by a factor of 2-3x and feed the same number of people if certain sacrifices are made. Even so our JIT food and grocery store setup is very dependent on cheap energy, and no supply interruptions.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 14 Jul 2008, 16:05:29

I am also starting to work on my general fitness level. Actually that seems to be occurring naturally as I now do a lot more walking, gardening, etc.

I haven't started stocking up yet but I have started learning gardening and am growing some of my own vegetables.

I haven't owned a gas guzzler for years. I kind of prefer driving small cars anyway. I am now actively trying to avoid driving as much as I used to. Where possible I will now walk or catch public transport. It is amazing how much fuel you can can save just by avoiding short trips in the car.
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