[zeke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'I')f you have a link showing nuclear to be a net energy loser I would like to see it. Sounds like BS to me.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zeke', 'P')erhaps you have links to information which proves that nuclear is not a net energy loser.
Remember, we're talking about the whole equation here: not just the megawatts you get after the thing is built and while it's running at top efficiency, and before it becomes no longer useful, but with all of the energy inputs factored into the construction, maintenence, dismantling and cleanup/detox afterward. Not to mention the mining, refining, storage and shipping of the fuel, as well as the shipping, containment and storage of spent fuel.

[zeke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '�')��But not even the most pessimistic analysis got a value of lower than 1 for nuclear's EROEI.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zeke', ' ')why not let's all of us use our big, giant brains and learn how to live more and more on immediate sunlight?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'A')ssuming we did power down and are on the long road to a sustainable population, what do you propose we do with the throng of recently unemployed?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ') Each of the previous three oil shocks in the United States was followed by recession. In every oil shock, the US economy was at or near its “stall speed” when the oil shock occurred. From the cringes of the financial analysts as of late, nothing has changed.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'C')ut wages and reemploy them. In other words, 10 people making $10/hr is now 20 people making $5/hr.

Give up our energy slaves.

Idle the machines and give up the speed. Let manual labor return.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', ' ')Engaging in deliberately wasteful practices just to we can claim to employ the same number of people that would've been employed in wealth building activities is downright silly.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', ' ') Energy is not created or destroyed, but wealth is. Engaging in deliberately wasteful practices just to we can claim to employ the same number of people that would've been employed in wealth building activities is downright silly. We can tear down every structure in the U.S. and rebuild to the same spec it was when it was torn down over some time period if we want to see employment and GDP through the roof, instead of building renewable infrastructure, but that doesn't mean doing so would create any meaningful wealth, as opposed building renewable infrastructure that would generate much cleaner energy w/ fewer externalized costs for decades.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zeke', 'p')robably, but instead I'll give you "author."

Heinberg, Richard


he cites energy required to build, maintain, fuel, and ultimately dismantle, clean up and decontaminate, which are rarely discussed as part of the true cost of nuclear power.

We tend not to like the "cleaning up" aspect of a lot of our technologies, and the world is bursting with examples of that..


zeke

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', ' ')Engaging in deliberately wasteful practices just to we can claim to employ the same number of people that would've been employed in wealth building activities is downright silly.