Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Future of Sports Post Peak Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby perdition79 » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 02:50:43

Sports are cheap entertainment that can be broadcast to the masses. More importantly, in the past couple decades the have become little more than a means of advertising consumer goods to a captive audience.
I think when municipalities can no longer afford to subsidize the cost of stadiums and arenas, they will be purchased, on the cheap, by corporations. What successful companies would pass up such effective advertising?
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/

"We are building a religion; we are building it bigger. We are widening the corridors and adding more lanes."
Cake - Comfort Eagle
User avatar
perdition79
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 553
Joined: Fri 21 Apr 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Babylon

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 09:04:44

Professional sports as we know them have no future. They are are pure creature of the fossil-fuel age.
There may remain some broadcasted events that will have small, local live audiences.
There is the potential for much more violence in sports, a la ancient Rome.
"Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog

"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---I & my bro.
User avatar
Heineken
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7051
Joined: Tue 14 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Rural Virginia

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 09:25:25

I'm a sports fan, and I've been thinking about this a lot. There will always be sports, I'm sure, but not on the current scale.
This article touches on some of the ways high oil prices have impacted sports: Sports world begins to sputter under weight of fuel prices

I think peak oil will have more of an effect than many think. Sure, Derek Jeter will probably never have to worry about buying gas for his Ford Edge. But how did he get where he is? Little League, school sports programs, minor league baseball. They don't have a lot of money, but that's where the talent for the pros comes from. A recent survey found that 28% of Americans have cut back on attending sports events because of high gas prices.

Even the really big money - sports TV - may be more vulnerable than you'd think. There's a push now for "a la carte" pricing in cable. I think that will strengthen as the economy worsens. And if it passes, those most hurt will be sports fans. ESPN is the most expensive channel, and only 1/5 of viewers ever watch it. If sports fans had to pay the full cost of sports programming themselves, it would add a big chunk to their cable bills.

And it might seem unthinkable to many now, but in the future, many Americans are going to find out that cable TV is a luxury, not a necessity. Without that cash cow, sports is not going to be nearly as profitable.
"The problems of today will not be solved by the same thinking that produced the problems in the first place." - Albert Einstein
User avatar
Leanan
News Editor
News Editor
 
Posts: 4582
Joined: Thu 20 May 2004, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Byron100 » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 09:42:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'P')rofessional sports as we know them have no future. They are are pure creature of the fossil-fuel age.
There may remain some broadcasted events that will have small, local live audiences.
There is the potential for much more violence in sports, a la ancient Rome.

Remember that corny '70's film "Rollerball"? No matter how much I begged and pleaded, my mom simply would not let me watch that film on HBO...LOL. Guess she didn't want me to see what life was going to be like in the future..hehe.

But the kinds of sports I do see being popular as the depression deepens in the years ahead would be things like minor league baseball, local football teams, etc. I also think college sports will continue to be popular, at least in regional markets. Gotta have my ACC basketball, you know. ;)

I do think NASCAR will be the first major sport to go...and good riddance! I've also long wondered when the very last Superbowl will be held too...I'm certain we'll make it to Superbowl L, but how much longer they'll have them after that is anyone's guess.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide...
...and the meek shall inherit the Earth!
User avatar
Byron100
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 973
Joined: Thu 08 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Atlanta, GA

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 09:53:23

I think cheering for the local team will make a huge come back. People need something to cheer for and about. Even in many poor countries where they have nothing they follow and cheer enthusiastically for their local teams and hometown heros.

Sports stars on the other hand will see their paycheques shrink as TV audiences wane and less advertizing dollars support professional sports. Ticket prices will have to fall to reflect less disposable income. Lower sponsorship and lower ticket revenue will mean teams can no longer travel as much nor as far. There will be more regional rivalries again.

Probably smaller sports venues as well as they age and need to be replaced. Its hard to imagine artificial ice in places like Tampa for example.

I saw my first roller-ski biathlon yesterday in Switzerland. The first summer ski jumping I saw was just a few years ago. Those sports are making the transition partially in response to climate change. First dodgy conditions meant they needed an alternative to natural snow, and now they can train and compete year round. Reminds me of Cool Runnings and the Jamaican bobsled team.
The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
User avatar
MrBill
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5630
Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Eurasia

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby kokoda » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 09:54:44

Hobo boxing.
User avatar
kokoda
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 440
Joined: Thu 24 Aug 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Arsenal » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 11:49:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'H')obo boxing.
HAHAHA... That was too funny and sick at the same time. :)
Arsenal
User avatar
Arsenal
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 858
Joined: Tue 18 Mar 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 12:17:12

Awhile back, I read a book on the history of the New York Yankees. It interviewed some of the old players. They remembered riding a train for three days when they had to play St. Louis. They'd play cards all the way. The old-timers said that really helped the team bond. They thought that today's players miss out by just jumping on a team jet for a few hours.

And Negro Leagues used to depend on communities for housing. They couldn't afford hotels or anything, so they'd stay in farmers' barns or people's spare bedrooms.
"The problems of today will not be solved by the same thinking that produced the problems in the first place." - Albert Einstein
User avatar
Leanan
News Editor
News Editor
 
Posts: 4582
Joined: Thu 20 May 2004, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby IanC » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 12:30:17

Professional sports in America makes me want to puke. I can't wait to see the sunset of it's prominance in our "culture". Especially baseball - it's a game, not a sport.
I'm hoping that the money will dry up and the professional sports industry in general wil significantly contract. I don't think it will ever go away.

I agree that we'll need something to distract us and my sincere hope is that watching sports on TV will be supplanted by actually participating in sports at the local park. There was a time 40-50 years ago when there were baseball leagues for all ages, bowling leagues, etc which:
1. got everyone out of the house
2. kept them active
3. engendered community spirit

If getting rid of a bunch of overpayed players and owners in the major leagues brings any amount of that back to our society, it will be well worth the trade!
I see the real contraction happening in amature sports, however. No more traveling soccer clubs for 12 year olds from Portland going to tournaments in Phoenix, LA, and Denver for the weekend. NO more parapalegic rugby teams going to the Olympics in Athens. No more ridiculous, meaningless fricking bowl games for loser league football teams on Thanksgiving.

Such waste. We deserve all we're going to get! At least we'll have a lot of beefed-up jocks to either join the military or use hand tools on the farm.
-IanC
IanC
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 383
Joined: Sun 05 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Portland Oregon, USA

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby energycity » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 15:21:46

Wind-up radios are cheap and reliable these days, so broadcast sports can continue almost indefintely.
Professional sport is the opiate of the masses so if any government continues to exist they are almost certain to continue.
energycity
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 120
Joined: Tue 22 Apr 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby cube » Mon 07 Jul 2008, 19:58:00

The future of "professional" sports.

Death Race (2008)

Image

Death Race 2000 (1975)
cube
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3909
Joined: Sat 12 Mar 2005, 04:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 04:50:22

That's interesting, Cube. Those dark movies that show a bleak future usually come and go with the business cycle and reflect people's mood. Back in the 70s there were a lot of dark movies that took a bleak view of the future. Then the mood improved. Now it seems like we have swung full circle again. In that trailer I saw bits and pieces of Mad Max, Blade Runner, Escape from the Bronx, etc. and not much of Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future! ; - ))

UPDATE: This isn't about talent. It's about technology.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ob Beamon's long jump of 29 feet, 2 1/2 inches stood for 23 years. One of the records set at the U.S. Olympic swimming trials lasted, oh, less than 2 minutes. In all, nine world records in seven events were either broken or equaled.

You can argue the athletes are bigger and stronger. I spent some time last week with baseball hall-of-famer Whitey Ford, who is Lilliputian when compared with most of today's pitchers. Only that isn't the whole story.


source: Naked Athletes Would Show Who Is Really Better

We certainly could use less technology in sports to make competition fairer and cut out the waste of developing new technologies for professional athletes that then become must have items for their fans and junior athletes. It's supposed be about the game.
The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
User avatar
MrBill
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5630
Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Eurasia

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby efarmer » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 17:57:39

I agree with the best of the local talent getting direct
community support by providing the community entertainment.
I am not currently a fan of wrestling, but I would like to see
local wrestling under the right conditions. I would like to see
the big guy who always smiles from the produce stand
grab the little jerk from Starbucks and dust his derriere off
so's there isn't any powdered sugar left on it. And then I
would like amateur night so I could get in the ring and get
disqualified for biting the snooty bank clerk on the ankle.

On second thought, maybe amateur baseball or some
team sport might be better for the community and me...

I do think the $30 Million dollar ball player is whistling
past the graveyard. Last team into the franchise before
the decline?

The Cayman Island Reptiles, they will simply appear to
play while unseen forces destroy the other team financially
behind the scenes and ready them for acquisition.
User avatar
efarmer
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2003
Joined: Fri 17 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Mominator » Tue 08 Jul 2008, 18:37:59

I think professional sports will die as in--there won't be people who make their livings by playing in leagues or by signing sponsorship deals. I do wonder about the future of the Olympics.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlinkBlink', ' ')I think professional sport will be dead. Pity. I will miss football and cricket.

I think regional non-professional competion will boom. I'm not sure if activities that require large fields will be valued until after die-off. It could be a very long time before cricket, rugby, soccer, baseball, etc wiggle their way back to being commonly played.

I love swimming, but I don't particularly look forword to having to swim in open waters (again). I'm going to miss pools :cry:
~Laura

"If you weren't smart enough to plan ahead then Doom on you!" ~Dodo bird
User avatar
Mominator
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 93
Joined: Thu 26 Jun 2008, 03:00:00
Location: FL

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby cube » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 02:12:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '.')..
We certainly could use less technology in sports to make competition fairer and cut out the waste of developing new technologies for professional athletes that then become must have items for their fans and junior athletes. It's supposed be about the game.
The future of sports:
No more $200 basketball shoes.
good bye and good riddance.
Image
For anybody who reads my posts you'll quickly learn that I'm one of the great supporters of the "free market" on this site. However even for me, there's something about these shoes that leave me in disdain. I consider this one of the examples of the dark side of free market capitalism.
cube
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3909
Joined: Sat 12 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Top

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby Peleg » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 03:44:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '.')..
We certainly could use less technology in sports to make competition fairer and cut out the waste of developing new technologies for professional athletes that then become must have items for their fans and junior athletes. It's supposed be about the game.
The future of sports:
No more $200 basketball shoes.
good bye and good riddance.
Image
For anybody who reads my posts you'll quickly learn that I'm one of the great supporters of the "free market" on this site. However even for me, there's something about these shoes that leave me in disdain. I consider this one of the examples of the dark side of free market capitalism.


I'm hoping you don't work for any major sports retailer. An odd idea I heard once was that eventually all major sports will become something more like professional wrestling. I do know that the idea that modern sports accomplishes much the same as the gladitorial games in ancient Rome has some credence. Bread and Circuses. I mean hey if someone were going to offer me free food and free sports tickets for life, as long as I have a house (the patricians all did) I'm good. That hungarian sausage with sour kraut, a cold egyptian beer and a shot of oozo to cap 'er off and I'm totally ready to watch innocent people be eaten by lions. Ok so maybe the analogy is not that strong. Modern sports tend to take agression that would have gone into other pursuits and channel it into ritualized warfare and by proxy aggression, so it is probably an essential part of large scale social control. But does it not still tell the same story, someone is the best, and the best get the prize, and yet at the same time it packages all those drives into a mostly socially acceptable form. It's not as insidious as the US Post Office (which is clearly a form of creeping socialism, well until it went private) but it is impacting society greatly nonetheless and pacifying the masses.

Look at the completely packaged life:

Wake up in you home under mortgage, with a fridge full of food purchased at the local supermarket. Drive in your car under lease to your job under scrutiny and talk sports all day while dinking around on the Internet. Then go home, take in some sports and go to bed. You are in the Matrix baby!

If the next time you stumble up to the bar in your favorite sports establishment and the bartender puts a red beer and a blue beer in front of you, be sure to take the blue one. You're not ready for freedom yet!
User avatar
Peleg
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 238
Joined: Tue 20 May 2008, 03:00:00
Top

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 04:26:45

That type of stuff always make me laugh. If you do not like working for a living wage or value your freedoms then I bet five-sixths of humanity would gladly change places with you? I further bet that 97% of forefathers would gladly choose your cozy life over theirs. But that is just speculation. Kind of silly isn't it?

If someone were willing to pay me $30 million to play professional sports do you think for a second that I would turn it down? For that type of money I would even promote Cheez Doodles and Budweiser beer! ; - ))
The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
User avatar
MrBill
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5630
Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Eurasia

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby manu » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 08:08:59

Horse racing and wrestling will be there but I don't know how professional it will be! I agree most sports will be back on the local level, most without much enumeracion.
User avatar
manu
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 751
Joined: Wed 26 Jul 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Predict the Future of Professional Sports!!

Unread postby MrBill » Wed 09 Jul 2008, 09:29:24

Javelin catching. Its not the level of skill, but the heart that counts.
The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
User avatar
MrBill
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5630
Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Eurasia

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron