[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'W')hy not assume the standard of living will fall to 1/3 of it's present value (or less) instead of assuming the population will fall to 1/3rd it's present value?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', ' ')What do you project as the most likely range of oil decline, after factoring in new projects coming online?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')) Post peak, the drop in fertility is not going to happen in any developing country.

Cuba etc. give contrary evidence to this claim.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')hey are not my figures. Look at the metrics used. What it says is that we cannot maintain 300 million even if we switched to total solar at a slightly less standard of living.
How do you propose we cut everything by 30% across the board?
A recent study by two physicists said that a 25% cut would be eclipsed by population growth alone in 13 years.
And why not assume the SOL will fall as opposed to the population falling? Because we are in overshoot and overshoot populations inevitably crash. We have no such plan B, nor would ever entertain one until too late to make a difference. By the time enough people were on board...the pond would be covered. See video.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')hey are not my figures. Look at the metrics used. What it says is that we cannot maintain 300 million even if we switched to total solar at a slightly less standard of living.
How do you propose we cut everything by 30% across the board?
A recent study by two physicists said that a 25% cut would be eclipsed by population growth alone in 13 years.
And why not assume the SOL will fall as opposed to the population falling? Because we are in overshoot and overshoot populations inevitably crash. We have no such plan B, nor would ever entertain one until too late to make a difference. By the time enough people were on board...the pond would be covered. See video.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'n')ot a proof so to speak, as noted by the If suchansuch, then suchandsuch bit. Not a whole lot to to prove there.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'L')ove how you ignore the question:

"Like it needs to? What energy source created and supported industrialization and urbanization if not fossil fuels?

Wood?"

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ')Does changing terminology change anything?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'D')emographic Transition is made possible by cheap, readily available fossil fuels which allows for the rise in the standard of living/economic growth that lowers fertility.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', ' ') When the Soviet Union collapsed, it went through a sharp decline in the standard of living, lower birth rates, and higher death rates. Russia's population is still shrinking.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ')Does changing terminology change anything?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', ' ')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') know of no one, besides you, who needs proof that fossil fuels were the energy source behind the industrialization of developed countries.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ') Would be interesting to see if Monte was - once in a while - able to change his opinion and admit that also he could be wrong sometimes, instead of the usual condescending retort in order to protect his ego.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Cuba is not a developing country, thus not a current example.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', ' ') When the Soviet Union collapsed, it went through a sharp decline in the standard of living, lower birth rates, and higher death rates. Russia's population is still shrinking.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ')Does changing terminology change anything?

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ') Would be interesting to see if Monte was - once in a while - able to change his opinion and admit that also he could be wrong sometimes, instead of the usual condescending retort in order to protect his ego.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '
')The admission that Monte calls and considers this a "debate" instead of a discussion or a dialogue to gain better understanding of the issue, reveals that in his case this has all to do with ego.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', ' ') When the Soviet Union collapsed, it went through a sharp decline in the standard of living, lower birth rates, and higher death rates. Russia's population is still shrinking.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ')The admission that Monte calls and considers this a "debate" instead of a discussion or a dialogue to gain better understanding of the issue, reveals that in his case this has all to do with ego.