[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReducedToZero', 'W')hat does GDP driving Oil mean?

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'I') never stated, and or meant, that no oil at all would impact GDP to the extent that can't be made up by other stuff. It may be the case, or it may not, I dunno precisely.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'I') never stated, and or meant, that no oil at all would impact GDP to the extent that can't be made up by other stuff. It may be the case, or it may not, I dunno precisely.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'Y')ou are misrepresenting what I stated. I never said no oil does not mean no economic growth, I said that no oil does not mean no GDP

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'W')ould be interesting to see if Monte was - once in a while - able to change his opinion and admit that also he could be wrong sometimes, instead of the usual condescending retort in order to protect his ego.

As for me (to quote:): Thank God, I have my ego under my total control.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', 'Y')ou are misrepresenting what I stated. I never said no oil does not mean no economic growth, I said that no oil does not mean no GDP

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', ' ')to the point of death threats/fanatasies in rare cases.

[NugBlazer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')ame thing.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')ame thing.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', 'y')esplease, you're outta your element, and in way, way over your head. Go learn the facts, then come back.

[nobodypanic]

can you grow w/declining energy? yes, of course, so long as you become more efficient at using energy at a rate that outpaces the energy decline sufficient to give you enough surplus to grow.

obviously, however, you can only become so efficient, so i don't expect that you could have infinite growth in the face of of perpetual decline.

can you grow w/no energy? not a chance.

can you grow w/declining oil energy? in principle, yes. in practice...?

[NugBlazer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', 'y')esplease, you're outta your element, and in way, way over your head. Go learn the facts, then come back.

[pedalling_faster]

what's seems paradoxical is the continuing advance of some technologies, to the point where people are just (for lack of a better term) seriously psyched !

there's an ongoing saga in the computer world where AMD stole the performance crown from Intel in about 2004, with their Athlon 64 series processors (misnamed because, even in 2008, almost everybody is still using 32 bit programs).

anyway, this performance edge continued in 2005, when AMD introduced dual core versions of their products, making for some seriously fast workstations that almost anyone in the Western world could afford. of course, in 2005 we have one peak as part of an undulating plateau.

then 2006 comes along, and Intel beats the cRap out of AMD with their Core2Duo (with the various bubbles beginning to pop in the background.)

finally, in 2008, AMD has finally fought back and released the 4850 and 4870 chipsets, stealing the performance crown back from nVidia . for people that are into computers, this is very amazing times.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341
(article about those 2 chipsets)

so now a person can buy a QuadCore intel, the natural extension of the dual core technology they released in 2006, and an ATI 4*** series card, to get an enormous amount of technology in a small space (14" x 8" x 9").

and you know how 2008 has gone, in terms of the economy & Peak Oil. it's almost as if the computer industry is experiencing reverse entropy, becoming more highly ordered, while the rest of society disintegrates (and the computer hoopla continues at SigGraph 2008 in Los Angeles in August).

if the inverse correlation between computer technology and Peak Oil continues, it will be interesting to see how things proceed. if, in 2010, liquid fuel shortages stymie the evacuation of South Florida in the face of a Cat 6 hurricane, it won't be much of a comfort to buy an 8-core computer for $999. but, you'll be able to - if UPS still delivers in your community.

i like these computer gadgets but i'm getting more & more respect for the Amish style of doing things (except for the restrictions they place on women).

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', 'N')ow, c'mon yesplease, you know darn well that Monte isn't "making up" his facts. As he often states, he is just the messenger. Furthermore he backs his facts up with links, sources and references, almost ad nauseum. To say he just conjures it all up is silly and nonsensical.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NugBlazer', '.')..you know darn well Monte isn't "making up" his facts. As he often states, he is just the messenger. Furthermore he backs his facts up with links, sources and references, almost ad nauseum.

[TonyPrep]

I think that's a fairly irrelevant distinction, between destroy and consume. It's still gone, either way. Destruction may even make it worse than consumption.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'I') think that's a fairly irrelevant distinction, between destroy and consume. It's still gone, either way. Destruction may even make it worse than consumption.

[TonyPrep]

What we're doing is unsustainable, for a whole load of reasons. To get hung up on a particular use of words is missing the point. We don't appear to be able to stop what we're doing (including growing the population).

If people can't get it through their heads that some significant changes will have to be made, in order to attempt to avoid calamity, then calamity is what we'll get. It seems pretty irrelevant to start examining the minutiae of language, when that essential point is missed.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'I')f [s]people[/s] we can't get it through [s]their[/s] our heads that some significant changes will have to be made in order to attempt to avoid calamity, then calamity is what we'll get. It seems pretty irrelevant to start examining the minutiae of language, when [s]that[/s] the essential point is missed.