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Re: Depression

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 19:38:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
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I think in some ways situational depression (that brought on by life events and traumas), might be more difficult to deal with because it is outside of oneself and therefore in some ways more "out of control."


Ludi, in your experience with depression, do you think you may navigate difficult times brought on by situations better than a lot of people who have not struggled with a more "chronic" depression (that caused by a chemical imbalance)? My brother, who was diagnosed with depression/anxiety at quite a young age, is able to bring comfort to others experiencing situational depression, even though he struggles day-to-day with his own illness. I'm sure it must be partly empathy, but I'm thinking it goes deeper than that.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 19:49:41

Wildrose, I'm not at all convinced of my ability to weather difficult times. I seem to have very little reserves, and get worn down quickly by any kind of stress or fatigue. I'm also afraid I'm not very good at dealing with others when they are deeply depressed (such as my sister). I'm quite ashamed of this, and wish I were better at it. :( Though I empathize very much with people who are depressed, at the same time I have very little patience with people who can't or won't learn to manage or live with their illness, and who continue the cycle of overdoing it and then crashing (typical behavior of bipolars I guess), even though I know this is possibly merely a symptom of their illness. So I get frustrated and short-tempered. :oops: I'm glad your brother is able to help other people, he must be a very patient and empathic person. :)
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Re: Depression

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 20:13:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ildrose, I'm not at all convinced of my ability to weather difficult times. I seem to have very little reserves, and get worn down quickly by any kind of stress or fatigue. I'm also afraid I'm not very good at dealing with others when they are deeply depressed (such as my sister). I'm quite ashamed of this, and wish I were better at it. :( Though I empathize very much with people who are depressed, at the same time I have very little patience with people who can't or won't learn to manage or live with their illness, and who continue the cycle of overdoing it and then crashing (typical behavior of bipolars I guess), even though I know this is possibly merely a symptom of their illness. So I get frustrated and short-tempered. :oops: I'm glad your brother is able to help other people, he must be a very patient and empathic person. :)


Ludi, I really admire your honesty and the ability you have in articulating your feelings.

Yes, my brother is very patient, that is one of his greatest strengths, both in listening to others and getting through life with his difficult illness. Sadly, many members of our family (me included) don't always have patience with his illness. It creates some difficult family dynamics, too. :( I'm sure we could all benefit from some counseling in this regard.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 20:17:57

Thank you, Wildrose. :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', ' ')I'm sure we could all benefit from some counseling in this regard.


I tried to get my family to go to counseling so we could learn to talk about our problems and deal with them more effectively. I mean, here we're talking about a family who has two people with bipolar disorder, one severely brain damaged person, one who is quite paranoid, and another who is pathologically avoidant (faints when something unpleasant is discussed). These people need to learn to face their problems! But no, my father and step-mother came once to family counseling and refused to go again. I continued going to counseling on my own for a little while.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 20:36:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hank you, Wildrose. :)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', ' ')I'm sure we could all benefit from some counseling in this regard.


I tried to get my family to go to counseling so we could learn to talk about our problems and deal with them more effectively. I mean, here we're talking about a family who has two people with bipolar disorder, one severely brain damaged person, one who is quite paranoid, and another who is pathologically avoidant (faints when something unpleasant is discussed). These people need to learn to face their problems! But no, my father and step-mother came once to family counseling and refused to go again. I continued going to counseling on my own for a little while.


Sorry to hear that, Ludi. A person can gain some insight from counseling on their own, but what you're up against (with family members with varying illnesses) would require more of them to take part, certainly.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 20:44:57

The insight I finally gained was that I have to accept them on their own terms, that I can't make them into the people I want them to be, nor would I want them to try to make me into the person they want me to be. So I acceded to the way things are, but, with the proviso (my agreement with myself) that I wouldn't allow myself to be "squashed" but would be myself around them to the best of my ability. So far, it's going ok, nothing weird has happened in awhile. :)
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Re: Depression

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 20:58:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Ludi, I'm only focusing on you because you often talk about how you have had a pretty easy life, but I don't really think you have, though obviously there is a lot to be said for never having had to skip a meal because there wasn't any food.


Thank you. I always wondered, before I got diagnosed, why my life seemed so hard when I knew it was actually very easy! I've had few life traumas compared to many people, but seemed to struggle so much with feelings of despair and inadequacy, and many painful physical symptoms though my health was mostly good (other than high blood pressure at a young age). It was a huge relief to finally find out why I had been struggling so much. I actually resisted for years the idea that I might have something seriously wrong with me because I "wasn't that important" - I couldn't have anything seriously wrong with me, being as unimportant as I was. I thought I was just "weak." Ignoring the problem for so long I finally got ill enough to get diagnosed, which was an enormous event in my life, both negative but also positive. Now I can understand and accept myself in a way I couldn't before.

I think in some ways situational depression (that brought on by life events and traumas), might be more difficult to deal with because it is outside of oneself and therefore in some ways more "out of control."


What you wrestled with is the most difficult situation of all. Thank God you got a diagnosis that dignifies the anguish. I had an ongoing unrelenting anxiety/ depressive thing in adolescence which subsided when I hit my early twenties. I was still messed up, but not hopeless for a few years, when I got hit with a chronic physical illness. Any time I feel trapped, frustrated, physically tested to the limits, I just think back to my teen years and it instantly checks my perspective. If you can get through the ego devastation and dysphoria of mental and emotional pain, you can get through anything.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 23:06:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ildrose, I'm not at all convinced of my ability to weather difficult times. I seem to have very little reserves, and get worn down quickly by any kind of stress or fatigue. I'm also afraid I'm not very good at dealing with others when they are deeply depressed (such as my sister). I'm quite ashamed of this, and wish I were better at it. :( Though I empathize very much with people who are depressed, at the same time I have very little patience with people who can't or won't learn to manage or live with their illness, and who continue the cycle of overdoing it and then crashing (typical behavior of bipolars I guess), even though I know this is possibly merely a symptom of their illness. So I get frustrated and short-tempered. :oops: I'm glad your brother is able to help other people, he must be a very patient and empathic person. :)


Ludi, it's ironic that you describe yourself the way you do because you come across here as pretty sturdy psychologically.

There are times you even strike me as the peakoil.com equivalent of a bartender. You listen, provide even-keeled feedback and stay more or less balanced.

You're like all of us and have to break out the lumber occasionally, but for the most part you're pretty reliable.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 23:08:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')hen trying to navigate choppy seas, the question is what the ideal port would look like. For many, the ideal port is simply a comfortable delusion that explains hardship in terms that provides wholeness or meaning to the struggle.

For others, the ideal port is something like a real solution to the root cause of the problem of choppy seas. These people don't want to escape reality, they want to change reality so that it doesn't need to be escaped.


Well said 8)


Ships are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they are made for.


That's an excellent point.

Better to get a little dinged up living than to keep the carpet clean but never have any fun.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 10:36:26

Thanks Big Tex. :)
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Re: Depression

Unread postby hironegro » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:23:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Has your life been easy psychologically?


No, because I have a mental illness.


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Yeah, manic depression (bipolar). Been posting about it here for years... :)

My sis does also, but much worse (frequent hospitalizations). Also our grandma did, almost certainly (not diagnosed, though).


I must say really admire you're courage. I wouldn't talk about my so called issues with others.

Aren't you afraid of other people judging you?
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 18:32:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hironegro', '
')Aren't you afraid of other people judging you?


Yes, terrified.

I hate being judged.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby mystiek » Sun 29 Jun 2008, 23:46:10

Ludi, anyone who would "judge" you is showing their ignorance! Kudos that you post about your condition-it should be viewed no different than if you were posting about "high blood pressure", "diabetes" ,etc. People need to understand that conditions such as depression, etc. has to do with chemical imbalances in the brain. The brain is an organ, just as the pancreas and heart is too. You contribute so much to this web site and by being open about bipolar may help someone to recognize the symptoms and seek help if needed.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 08:25:16

Thank you, mystiek.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby aldente » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 17:48:27

To stay on topic, Death must be directly related to Time.
Do a Wiki search on Death, and Time will inevitably show up:
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I guess we could establish with a good certainty that the majority of our fellow humans are afraid of death.


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What if death would not be subject to fear? I bettja depression would be finally recoginzed as a primarily subconcious 'fear of death' syndrome.
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Re: Depression

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 18:00:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', 'A')nd then there is Freud's theory of depression as repressed anger.

...anger is a more useful emotion than despair.


Works for me!!
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