[gunny7258]

How is preparing yourself inserting foot? I do not have a plasma TV but many people i know do. And many cannot afford it? They also lease cars they can barely afford. If people in this country would live how they can afford and choose to spend money on needs instead of wants we as a whole would be much better off.

That $500 car payment is way more then a monthly major medical policy. Even if you added a long term disability policy to it most people would come way under what most people pay for a car loan.

[Ludi]

What about folks who can't afford the TV, the car, or the insurance?

[gunny7258]

work an extra job, take advantage of education tuition assistance programs and go to community college, even one class at a time if need be and soon you will have gained skills that will make you more money.

You can either do things to better yourself or do nothing and stay where you are, its that simple.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gunny7258', 'w')ork an extra job, take advantage of education tuition assistance programs and go to community college, even one class at a time if need be and soon you will have gained skills that will make you more money.

You can either do things to better yourself or do nothing and stay where you are, its that simple.

[truecougarblue]

Your 50 YO friend may be looking at another 30+ years of life. They better be looking at how to work smarter rather that harder if they don't have enough savings thus far.

BTW, I only agree with gunny insofar as an individual has squandered thier opportunities. I recognize that there are many who simply aren't capable of producing the value needed to sustain the basics AND insurance in this economy.

I think healthcare could easily fit within, "promote the general welfare" in the USC.

[gunny7258]

well if your 50 YO friend did not prepare for retirement why is it my fault or the governments responsibility to provide for him. I am sure he had enough opportunities to save for retirement but spent the money on other FUN things. He could always work at Wal Mart.

[Ludi]

I thought we were talking about health insurance, not retirement....


anyway, I'll ask him. Maybe he'll tell you about it.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gunny7258', 'T')hat $500 car payment is way more then a monthly major medical policy. Even if you added a long term disability policy to it most people would come way under what most people pay for a car loan.

[jdmartin]

This thread only serves to prove that those who have the most are always the biggest bitchers; everyone's out to take away all their hard-earned income. Frankly, I think it's the mark of a serious declining society when the more well-to-do belittle their former brethren as being a bunch of lazy bastards. I suppose it's all rooted in the fear of receding back into the class they've so desperately tried to escape.

Gunny, using your logic, you're a total lazy piece of dogshit because you don't have nearly as much money as Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. You must be stupid as hell, too, because with your investing prowess you should already be retired. Especially since you started saving for retirement at 18 years old, all the while paying rent on an apartment, utilities, car insurance, and the like (because I KNOW you weren't sponging off Mom & Dad and living at home). Besides, what the hell's wrong with you encouraging people to use tuition assistance? Everyone should bootstrap it. I have no doubt you've paid cash for every single thing you've ever owned, because by God you wouldn't have any kind of need for a stable society wherein a bank could provide you a loan. No sir, you went out and picked them damn tomatoes until you had enough money to get yourself a wife AND some kids. Aren't you special!

The above sarcasm is meant to say: you just don't get it. You've got angry white man's disease, and no one can tell you any different. Yes, you're right, there's a bunch of lazy bastards out there. But not everyone you see that's in a bad way is a lazy bastard. Surely, someone that could see shades of gray enough to avail themselves of a biracial marriage and biracial children would understand there's no one size fits all

[gunny7258]

Its great to see that it has broken down to class envy and personal attacks. Yes i have a fair amount in retirement but why should i retire at 35 when i can work for 20-25 more years and have a great retirement with a good lifestyle?

I actually graduated high school early (smart enough to take extra classes to earn my credits) went to work in a tool and die shop at 17, moved out at 19 and bought my first home at 24 so no i never really sponged?

I finished my tool and die apprenticeship at 22 and was making over 50K a year by then just from my job. I guess thats a benefit learning a trade and a valuable skill while others my age or even twice my age where loafing around or satisfied with a mediocre job!

I then taught myself HTML, internet marketing and search engine optimization and currently use these skills to make a nice monthly side income. So nobody gave me anything and like so many poor people want to believe i never stole money from anyone. So when someone says that i should give a portion of what i earned through very hard work, sacrifice and dedication to someone who won't even try to better themselves then yes i get defensive!!!!

I have a mortgage and try to only pay cash for things but it can not always be that way. Yes i have loans but i use credit smartly, kind of like using the proper tool for the job. You dont hammer a nail into your wall with a sledge hammer right!!

I do not have any angry white mans disease, although its typical you went down that road as you really can offer nothing intelligent so with your back against the wall you lash out with attacks. Its typical and expected.

And if you think its a bad thing to want to escape a social class and better myself then you obviously are a shining example of what i am talking about!

[vision-master]

gunny7258, these kinds of self serving boastful attitudes goes aganist the teachings of all religions. You have much evil in your sprit.

[gunny7258]

I am not boasting i am explaining where i come from and defending myself from someone who is attacking me. In order for me to defend myself that person must have a view of what i have done for myself and how i did it.

Did i ever mention material things i own and say they make me better then you? No i did not, i do however think i am better and contribute more to society then people who choose to leech off others.

i also have no problem letting people know how i bettered myself, its called having pride!

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gunny7258', 'I') am not boasting i am explaining where i come from and defending myself from someone who is attacking me. In order for me to defend myself that person must have a view of what i have done for myself and how i did it.

Did i ever mention material things i own and say they make me better then you? No i did not, i do however think i am better and contribute more to society then people who choose to leech off others.

i also have no problem letting people know how i bettered myself, its called having pride!

[Heineken]

I like the way my little tale of woe just whistled right by him.

This is no surprise, since he is totally self-centered.

People like Gunny have blind spots so enormous they consume most of the brain. The remaining cerebral function is given over to Rush Limbaugh.

[gunny7258]

Well if you want to judge me on my giving then you know nothing about me. If you would like me to clarify things i do that you feel make me a better person then i can.

But it obviously would not matter because to you i am just some evil rich (but not by my standards) guy.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gunny7258', ' ')its called having pride!

[gunny7258]

Hey Heineken,

Your tale did not whistle right by me. The fact is that yes what happened to you sucks but it is nobodys problem but your own. Those are the cold hard facts. Kind of like how everyone drives by the guy on the freeway with a flat tire.

As far as health insurance goes yes there are problems but they cannot be fixed with more government. Part of the reason the insurance is so damn high now is the required government coverage mandates. You know like the automatic childbirth coverage you have to pay for even if you are a single male??

If restrictions were eased andd people could cherry pick what they wanted covered prices would come down fast but until then they will not.

And if you break your leg you will not be denied medical assistance in this country, you just won't. You may have get put on a payment plan but you will not be denied. Hell most hospitals have whole departments set up to help people who are having a hard time paying. Just call and ask.

[gunny7258]

OK pride is bad, sure. Arrogance maybe but not pride. i for one am glad the guys who built the car i drive 70 mpph down the freeway had pride!

[gunny7258]

By the way i don't listen to Rush much at all. The way he rattles his paper loudly on the air annoys me.

[vision-master]

I know Peak Oil is really scary, just mello a little and learn from the Elders. You will be fine.