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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby alokin » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 05:26:43

Why should the dollar against other countries? There is inflation because there is no real value. Other countries have at least manufacturing to back their currency, while US manufacturing is in China and the remaining cannot compete with other countries. (e.g. cars white goods)
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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 11:28:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')eah, standard mainstream media bullshit - social security, welfare.


It seems many Repubs want to see less "entitlement" programs, aka less Government, BUT they never talk about our Military spending? What's up with that! :razz:
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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby cube » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 14:26:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')eah, standard mainstream media bullshit - social security, welfare.


It seems many Repubs want to see less "entitlement" programs, aka less Government, BUT they never talk about our Military spending? What's up with that! :razz:
Democrats are just as war-hungry. Take a look at your history book and you'll notice Democrats are equally adept at getting us into war.
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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 14:43:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MC2', 'A')ctually, we are heading for a deflationary collapse fueled by the credit crisis. I'm sure there are those who would LIKE to be able to inflate our way out of this, but I'm afraid the inflation already occurred several years ago, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

The dollar will be rising against all other currencies as the world begins to realize they are more f***ed than we are.


I agree. You won't get much traction with that on these boards, however. Those that post here are heavily influenced by the gold/monetarist shills that don't have the capacity to understand the efficacy of fiat currency. To them fiat money is a suspcious thing that can't be trusted, not something that exists because of the faith of the people. They actually buy the line that gold has some kind of intrinsic value other than the value that the market places on it.
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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby Gerben » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 16:42:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I') agree. You won't get much traction with that on these boards, however. Those that post here are heavily influenced by the gold/monetarist shills that don't have the capacity to understand the efficacy of fiat currency. To them fiat money is a suspcious thing that can't be trusted, not something that exists because of the faith of the people. They actually buy the line that gold has some kind of intrinsic value other than the value that the market places on it.

As one of those that doesn't 'have the capactity to understand' I'd like to remind you that in history gold always kept a significant value. That doesn't hold for all currencies.
Gold actually has some practical uses except just for it's shiny looks. Paper money can be used as ... toiletpaper.
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Re: David Walker US Comptroller - Fiscal Tsunami

Unread postby Alcassin » Mon 14 Jan 2008, 21:05:28

More gold is used in electronic industry which is booming for a decade, so gold had to get higher price due to extra demand.
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Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 16:41:41

Link

I agree wholeheartedly here. We are on virgin ground. Never before has the American lifestyle been so leveraged going into an inflationary recession. There will be MASSIVE DEFAULTS and it will turn into a positive feedback mechanism. The court system will be swamped with foreclosures, so many, there will be waiting lists years long. Many responsible borrows, stretched to the max will watch in envy as their irresponsible neighbors have stopped paying their mortgage with little repercussions and they get pissed so they stop paying. It snowballs out of control.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby FoxV » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:20:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'T')he court system will be swamped with foreclosures, so many, there will be waiting lists years long. Many responsible borrows, stretched to the max will watch in envy as their irresponsible neighbors have stopped paying their mortgage with little repercussions and they get pissed so they stop paying. It snowballs out of control.

hmm, "court system will be swamped", "out of control" sounds like its time for Captain FEMA Camp to the rescue.

Faster than an overworked Baliff
More powerful than a military draft
Captain FEMA Camp can round up thousands of delinquent homeowners with a single Presidential Order.

So never fear insolvent Investment bank Captain FEMA Camp is here!
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:29:38

`A battered, over-indebted consumer, if forced to retrench, could create even more problems for the banking system as loan delinquencies would begin to rise even further. All sorts of delinquencies are rising. This is now a systemic issue.''


We've been preaching this for many months now.

"Tsunami" is quite appropriate as a descriptor.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby americandream » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:30:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'T')he court system will be swamped with foreclosures, so many, there will be waiting lists years long. Many responsible borrows, stretched to the max will watch in envy as their irresponsible neighbors have stopped paying their mortgage with little repercussions and they get pissed so they stop paying. It snowballs out of control.

hmm, "court system will be swamped", "out of control" sounds like its time for Captain FEMA Camp to the rescue.

Faster than an overworked Baliff
More powerful than a military draft
Captain FEMA Camp can round up thousands of delinquent homeowners with a single Presidential Order.

So never fear insolvent Investment bank Captain FEMA Camp is here!


I wouldn't be too sure of that. How is a bankrupt Capt goin to feed itself, let alone hordes of hungry mouths it has taken under its wing, in a manner if speaking.

Let's not forget, those pictures of concentration and refugee camps harken us back to days when crude oil was in abundance. Today we are in an entirely new era, the age of not only bankrupt individuals, but entire states as well.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby KingM » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:33:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a8j2MuFdqA3s&refer=home]Link[/url]

I agree wholeheartedly here. We are on virgin ground. Never before has the American lifestyle been so leveraged going into an inflationary recession. There will be MASSIVE DEFAULTS and it will turn into a positive feedback mechanism. The court system will be swamped with foreclosures, so many, there will be waiting lists years long. Many responsible borrows, stretched to the max will watch in envy as their irresponsible neighbors have stopped paying their mortgage with little repercussions and they get pissed so they stop paying. It snowballs out of control.


No way. When the banking system is threatened, they could expedite those foreclosures to about one per minute per court room.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 17:49:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a8j2MuFdqA3s&refer=home]Link[/url]

I agree wholeheartedly here. We are on virgin ground. Never before has the American lifestyle been so leveraged going into an inflationary recession. There will be MASSIVE DEFAULTS and it will turn into a positive feedback mechanism. The court system will be swamped with foreclosures, so many, there will be waiting lists years long. Many responsible borrows, stretched to the max will watch in envy as their irresponsible neighbors have stopped paying their mortgage with little repercussions and they get pissed so they stop paying. It snowballs out of control.


No way. When the banking system is threatened, they could expedite those foreclosures to about one per minute per court room.


Then what? Who's going to live in the massive amount of foreclosed homes across the country? There have already been reports of ghost neighborhoods popping up in some regions of the country due to foreclosures and defaults. Will the banks rack up massive legal expenses for homes no one wants? If they decimate the middle class homeowner they will have decimated themselves. They better start negotiating with folks who are in default and give them better terms because some money is better than no money instead of holding a deteriorating empty house with no prospective buyers on the books.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 18:19:54

Have you all seen the movie "The Grapes of Wrath"? Even though the Joad family was homeless they still had gas for the truck.

This time around there will not be any gas...

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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Ludi » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 18:39:06

At the beginning of 1934, 50% of all urban homes with outstanding mortgages were in default.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby americandream » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 18:45:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'H')ave you all seen the movie "The Grapes of Wrath"? Even though the Joad family was homeless they still had gas for the truck.

This time around there will not be any gas...

TF


A world of 6.5 billion and a dwindling energy source. Frankly, I don't believe we have quite seen the depths humanity will sink to when under stress. All we can hope for is that we will be spared the worst of what is to come.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Judgie » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 20:36:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
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I wouldn't be too sure of that. How is a bankrupt Capt goin to feed itself, let alone hordes of hungry mouths it has taken under its wing, in a manner if speaking.

Let's not forget, those pictures of concentration and refugee camps harken us back to days when crude oil was in abundance. Today we are in an entirely new era, the age of not only bankrupt individuals, but entire states as well.


They'll be able to do it for quite a while. You'll probably see the systems of Maricopa County Sherriff Joe Arpaio (Arizona) utilised to reduce costs to an absolute minimum, after all, defaulters will likely be treated as low-security criminals in a world where FEMA camps are in operation. Among the other cost-restricting measures he uses is this:

"Arpaio began to serve inmates surplus food (mainly outdated and oxidized green bologna)[5] and limited meals to twice daily. Meal costs would be reduced to 90 cents per day; as of 2007 Arpaio states that he has managed to reduce costs to 30 cents per day. Certain food items were banned from the county jail, mainly coffee (which also reduced "coffee attacks" on corrections officers), but later salt and pepper were removed from the jail (at a purported taxpayer savings of $20,000/year)."

Read the whole article. That's what FEMA camp inhabitants will likely be dealing with.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 21:05:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')t the beginning of 1934, 50% of all urban homes with outstanding mortgages were in default.


Wow, history repeats itself. I expect a round two new deal from the feds. Gold confiscation, etc.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 21:38:39

Not much of an article. Still, it speaks the truth.

It isn't just mortgages. Rates of default on car notes and credit cards are shooting up.

The American public is very poorly positioned to trade in those Chevy Suburbans for Priuses.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 21:39:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')t the beginning of 1934, 50% of all urban homes with outstanding mortgages were in default.


Wow, history repeats itself. I expect a round two new deal from the feds. Gold confiscation, etc.


How are the Feds going to confiscate gold, Kingcoal. Tell me exactly how they are going to do it.
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Re: Financial Tsunami

Unread postby Jack » Tue 24 Jun 2008, 21:47:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')How are the Feds going to confiscate gold, Kingcoal. Tell me exactly how they are going to do it.


OK...make transactions to buy or sell gold illegal. Make possession illegal.

Now pass enabling legislation to confiscate privately held gold. Include a law that requires all dealers in gold to turn their records over, with prison sentences if they fail to do so.

Pass further legislation that gives any snitch who provides information about privately held gold with 25% of the proceeds from the confiscated contraband.

Change bank regulations to require inspection of contents of safety deposit boxes.

Make importation or export of gold a federal felony. Enforce the law.

Arrange some high-profile arrests. Perp walk, crying, weeping children, and so forth.

Offer an amnest for those who turn in their gold.

You won't get all the gold...but you'll get a lot.

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