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Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by eXpat » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 18:31:08
You seem to be quite quick to bet that this terraforming experiment of us won´t end up making Earth inhabitable for human beings.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by AlexdeLarge » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 18:46:34
My point exactly.
You can goggle and find plenty of scientists and scholars that argue both sides of this debate. They are smart, educated, leaders in their fields..........yet there is no consensus.
So who is right???
For point of argument lets say the burning of hydrocarbons leads to more green house gases which cause GW. What can Man do "now" to change the impact on the climate? In ten years??
Isn't that the same argument that people use against drilling now..... that it will take ten years to come on line??
Most of us at this site believe in Peak Oil. But we have to deal in what is real and present. There is no "current" substitute for oil. But we can drill now for new fields. We can build nuke plants. We can turn coal into fuel.
So the question remains..... are you willing to bet your job and your kids dinner?
You can goggle and find plenty of scientists and scholars that argue both sides of this debate. They are smart, educated, leaders in their fields..........yet there is no consensus.
So who is right???
For point of argument lets say the burning of hydrocarbons leads to more green house gases which cause GW. What can Man do "now" to change the impact on the climate? In ten years??
Isn't that the same argument that people use against drilling now..... that it will take ten years to come on line??
Most of us at this site believe in Peak Oil. But we have to deal in what is real and present. There is no "current" substitute for oil. But we can drill now for new fields. We can build nuke plants. We can turn coal into fuel.
So the question remains..... are you willing to bet your job and your kids dinner?
Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by Homesteader » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 18:53:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '
')You can goggle and find plenty of scientists and scholars that argue both sides of this debate. They are smart, educated, leaders in their fields..........yet there is no consensus.
')You can goggle and find plenty of scientists and scholars that argue both sides of this debate. They are smart, educated, leaders in their fields..........yet there is no consensus.
Links to research articles in respected science journals supporting your blanket statements would be nice.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by BigTex » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 18:58:31
I'm actually not arguing that we shouldn't drill more because of some kind of Al Gore green thing. I just think that focusing on drilling as a "solution" is obviously misguided.
So we get a five year extension on our consumption orgy, so what? That puts us five years farther down the road of unsustainability.
I guess that my skepticism is not necessarily shared by all regarding the premise that exponential growth, maximizing economic output and harvesting natural resources as quickly as possible is the ideal.
To me, we are digging ourselves into a hole as fast as we possibly can, and complaining about the effects of living in a hole, even as we dig deeper.
So we get a five year extension on our consumption orgy, so what? That puts us five years farther down the road of unsustainability.
I guess that my skepticism is not necessarily shared by all regarding the premise that exponential growth, maximizing economic output and harvesting natural resources as quickly as possible is the ideal.
To me, we are digging ourselves into a hole as fast as we possibly can, and complaining about the effects of living in a hole, even as we dig deeper.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by Homesteader » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 19:07:36
Agreed Tex,
Drilling off-shore, nukes, alternatives, windfall taxes, summer gas tax holiday, etc. . .are being sold as the solutions such that we can keep on motoring, over-consuming and avoiding discomfort.
Guess its the same old problem, if they were truthful about the extent of the problem and what the future likely holds they wouldn't stand a chance of being elected.
The politician who looks the best while telling the voters what they want to hear is the one who gets elected.
People do indeed get the government they deserve.
Drilling off-shore, nukes, alternatives, windfall taxes, summer gas tax holiday, etc. . .are being sold as the solutions such that we can keep on motoring, over-consuming and avoiding discomfort.
Guess its the same old problem, if they were truthful about the extent of the problem and what the future likely holds they wouldn't stand a chance of being elected.
The politician who looks the best while telling the voters what they want to hear is the one who gets elected.
People do indeed get the government they deserve.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by AlexdeLarge » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 19:32:18
The Truth....the sheepeople can't handle the truth! LOL
No one has ever suggested drilling is the long term solution. It it is a current solution, along with nuke and coal to fuel.
It's not going to fun when the unemployment checks stop rolling in and the welfare runs out.
Got any other current "viable" solutions other than Jr. going to bed hungry????
No one has ever suggested drilling is the long term solution. It it is a current solution, along with nuke and coal to fuel.
It's not going to fun when the unemployment checks stop rolling in and the welfare runs out.
Got any other current "viable" solutions other than Jr. going to bed hungry????
Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by Ludi » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 19:34:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'a')long with nuke
Nuke is a "current" solution? Strange meaning of the word "current" I guess...
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Re: Lifting the Ban on Off-shore Drilling:The Facts
by Homesteader » Sun 22 Jun 2008, 19:50:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'T')he Truth....the sheepeople can't handle the truth! LOL
No one has ever suggested drilling is the long term solution. It it is a current solution, along with nuke and coal to fuel.
No one has ever suggested drilling is the long term solution. It it is a current solution, along with nuke and coal to fuel.
That is why I said telling the truth is the quickest way to not get elected.
As far as I can tell off-shore drilling is being packaged and sold as the solution to high gas prices. Gas prices are now, producing oil from new offshore areas is an 8-10 year process.
I don't disagree with off-shore drilling, but I don't believe it is going to be providing little Johnny with dinner unless dad or mom work for the companies involved.
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