[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '
')I've been a petroleum geologist for almost 30 yrs. Ludi, what are you doing?

[Ludi]

Message to Snik from my husband:



"I'm f**cking sick of the oilman's sense of entitlement to other people's land."




So I guess he might be getting in the way of your drilling.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '
')
All I have to say is JUST GET THE HECK OUT OF OUR WAY!. That's all we are asking.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')You seem hell bent to discredit me and don't even know what I am about.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '
')The goal of "helping" nature by reducing our numbers (before we can do more damage on numerical scale and so helping also more of our numbers survive) may seem noble at first, but it's not radical enough, it still repeats the assumption that we are somehow above nature, "supernatural", treating nature as object of human subject.
That is what 'civilization' is short for, putting man above nature, reflected in languages of civilizations, so shouldn't we accept the lesson of failure of civilization and learn from it instead of repeating this hubris of 'man above nature' ad nauseam?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', ' ')The goal of "helping" nature by reducing our numbers (before we can do more damage on numerical scale and so helping also more of our numbers survive) may seem noble at first, but it's not radical enough, it still repeats the assumption that we are somehow above nature, "supernatural", treating nature as object of human subject.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'W')ill drilling alone solve this problem? No. But why would we leave those reserves in the ground? For what purpose? They are doing no one any good underground.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')What is the purpose of this proposed drilling? So that we can find ourselves in exactly the same position, except maybe five or ten years farther into our unsustainable lifestyle?

[MonteQuest]

It's the same old song. It should be a Member Quote.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'W')e want to focus on short-term, short-sighted, selfish technofix solutions that allows us, (those living right now) to avoid "unpleasant" changes, with no lasting solutions for those generations to follow.

[MonteQuest]

"We wouldn't be having the problems that we're having today in terms of supply if we'd opened up a lot of areas that have been in moratorium.”

Oh yeah?

In 2006, the Interior Department estimated that the Outer Continental Shelf could hold 115.4 billion barrels. However, it also estimated that recoverable reserves off U.S. coasts in areas now banned from production probably hold only about 19 billion barrels.

19 billion barrels is enough to provide about 920 days, or about 2.5 years, of current U.S. consumption of 21 mbpd.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a senior advisor to McCain’s campaign, acknowledged in a conference call to reporters that new offshore drilling would have no immediate effect on supplies or prices.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'M')essage to Snik from my husband:



"I'm f**cking sick of the oilman's sense of entitlement to other people's land."




So I guess he might be getting in the way of your drilling.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '
')He needs a petroleum exploration 101 course if he thinks there is any "entitlement".

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', '
')He needs a petroleum exploration 101 course if he thinks there is any "entitlement".

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'T')he people that are in the way are those that don't want our federal mineral wealth developed because of a misguided fear of environmental catastrophe caused by that development.

[Snik]

Like I said, I couldn't care less. You are misreading the intent of the post. I was simply trying to illustrate the positive "we can do it" attitude that people in this business have. We aren't the type to throw up our hands in surrender simply because a problem is difficult. Quite the opposite. It was meant to say more like "Get out of our way, and we'll show you what we can do". Perhaps I mis phrased it. Read the rest of the post again and see if you don't get a different slant with that in mind. However, if there is some preexisting anger toward oil companies in general (for whatever reason), that probably jaded your, and/or your husbands view of it to begin with.

[seahorse]

snik,

All in good time. You know as well as I that, when PO sets in, really sets in, and people realize that buying hybrids and gardening just won't do the trick, everything will be drilled, every piece of coal that can be mined and converted via CTL will be mined, every nuke plant will be built. Maslow's hierchy of hunger trumps all. People just aren't hungry yet. All in good time.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 's')nik,

All in good time. You know as well as I that, when PO sets in, really sets in, and people realize that buying hybrids and gardening just won't do the trick, everything will be drilled, every piece of coal that can be mined and converted via CTL will be mined, every nuke plant will be built. Maslow's hierchy of hunger trumps all. People just aren't hungry yet. All in good time.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')o Snik's point about people in the energy business being big, smart and rugged, I wonder if he is referring to the 60 year olds or the 30 year olds? I thought there was a huge shortage of the big and rugged drilling types.

I thought there was also a shortage of drilling equipment due to many years of under-investment in energy infrastructure.

[BigTex]

I'll bet Snik would have made a great Indian fighter.

"Saddle-up boys, it's Injun killin' time. Maybe one day someone can explain to me how those dirty stinkin' redskins got their hands on such sweet and useful land in the first place. They just need to pack up their pottery and tee-pees and GET OUT OF THE WAY. We got some progress to make and some civilization to spread."

For a person who makes their living drilling for oil, I would not expect them to speak ill of it. I don't fault anyone for making a living and for making a good living if they can. But sometimes what's good for a person or for an industry may not be good for us as a species.

The point of natural resources is not necessarily to harvest them and consume them as quickly as possible. This gold rush mentality to drill for oil as fast as we can is probably not the best approach to some of the longer range problems we are facing.

But I would not expect a person who is making a fortune from drilling for oil right now to agree with me. And that just makes the problem of making smart long-term decisions that much more challenging--the profit is very diffused compared to the concentrated profits available right now by extracting oil from certain locations.

The energy industry is not in business to preserve the environment or to ensure the long-term sustainability of the human species on this planet. They are in business to extract fossil fuels from the earth in a profitable manner. Expecting more from them is probably not realistic or useful.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', ' ')Are you saying that this captured carbon was in the atmosphere previously?