[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snik', 'M')onte, since according to you most of us are going to die a slow painful death anyway, I don't know why you are even concerned with whether we drill anywhere or not. In fact, I fail to see the purpose of your posts at all since as far as I can tell you have absolutely no answers other than to say we're all basically screwed. I'm guessing you must be a survival shelter salesman or something....otherwise I can't figure out why you're wasting our time.

[Madpaddy]

MQ wrote,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here are no solutions; only options.

This obesssion with solutions is keeping us from addressing the cause by bandaiding the symptoms.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'W')hat I don't understand is those who wish to make die-off happen by consciouss acts instead of letting it happen naturally, if and when we refuse to live naturally.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mr. Bean', '
')What I don't understand is those who wish to make die-off happen by consciouss acts instead of letting it happen naturally, if and when we refuse to live naturally.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')f by "die-off" we mean "drastic reduction of the population" why is it necessarily bad if we choose to reduce our population? What is necessarily bad about reducing the birth rate to below the death rate (birthrate well below replacement)? Granted it would be bad if these actions were by force or coercion, but I don't recall Monte ever advocating force or coercion. As I recall he is continually talking about us choosing to take action rather than waiting for the worst to happen "naturally."

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Most people rail at the very idea of population reduction, while failing to even comptemplate the consequences of not doing so.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Most people rail at the very idea of population reduction, while failing to even comptemplate the consequences of not doing so.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')Yep, MonteQuest, the Nazi. LOL!

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')f by "die-off" we mean "drastic reduction of the population" why is it necessarily bad if we choose to reduce our population? What is necessarily bad about reducing the birth rate to below the death rate (birthrate well below replacement)? Granted it would be bad if these actions were by force or coercion, but I don't recall Monte ever advocating force or coercion. As I recall he is continually talking about us choosing to take action rather than waiting for the worst to happen "naturally."

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')How about a global 1:1 rule. Have a child adopt a child.

[Snik]

Monte Monte Monte, oh, if the world just worked the way you seem to think it does. Most western nations are either flat or negative for population growth by birth anyway. The main way the US keeps growing is by immigration. So, how do you propose to "convince" Latin America, Africa, and other areas of high population growth to quit having babies if you are not going to do it by force? Or maybe castration medication in their water supplies would work.

If the scenario you are talking about is true, shouldn't any means to reduce population be considered? I would think that a threat to the planet of the severity you believe it to be would warrant drastic actions. If our leadership actually believed the way you do, wouldn't you think their reaction would be of a severity equal to the problem? We've gone to war for a lot less. That being the case, your attempt at convincing people that the world as we know it is going to end, and billions are going to die if we don't do something is, by inference, advocating very drastic measures. If you succeed in your quest to convince the world of this, drastic measures will be taken. Our violent history certainly supports that assumption.

Maybe Texas should go ahead and secede from the nation now before chaos comes to reign. We can take care of ourselves down here, always have, always will. Oil? We've got it. Refineries? Yup. Food production? Uh Huh. Military? Got plenty of that too. Bring it.

[Ludi]

Snik, are you advocating forced population reduction? Or are you saying that [i[Monte[/i] should be advocating forced population reduction?

I'm confused by your argument, if you have one.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')How about a global 1:1 rule. Have a child adopt a child.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')I was working on the assumption that a couple would have one biological child and adopt one.

[Snik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')nik, are you advocating forced population reduction? Or are you saying that [i[Monte[/i] should be advocating forced population reduction?

I'm confused by your argument, if you have one.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
')I was working on the assumption that a couple would have one biological child and adopt one.

[AlexdeLarge]

Comrades !! There is no need to reinvent the wheel. Why all we have to do is follow the example set in the workers paradise of North Korea. The Dear Leader has taken the well being of the Proletariat to his bussom. He does not have to "Power Down".....he had the foresight to never "Power Up"! Population control......well that's not a problem, sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet !!It's so easy to control the masses!! Just think of the fun we will all have at the collective together.

Soon our new "democratically" elected leaders will dispense with those pesky oil companies and profits will be a thing of the past. With one party rule and a devout marxist in command, we will march bravely into our new socialist future. (We sure don't need that 2nd admendment anymore, now do we!) Just remember, your federal government will always look after you and will always have your best interest at heart!!


You do know I'm being sarcastic.........right? Right?

[Tyler_JC]

Is anyone else tired of the "but it's only 5% of our supply! It won't make a difference" nonsense?

Each little piece of the puzzle is important. You can't just shoot down every single individual as having no impact on the whole.

Why bother to drill any individual well? It's only a couple hundred barrels a day, who cares?

Why bother to go to work every week? It's only a couple hundred dollars, it's not going to make a difference. Why not just stay home and watch CourtTV all day?

The argument that off-shore drilling shouldn't be attempted because it's "too small to make a difference" is defeatist and frankly, pathetic.

Moreover, the argument that it will take too long is equally pathetic. If we'd started oil exploration in the late 1990s, we would be getting our first barrels of Florida Crude by now!

It took six years to build the first transcontinental railroad, does that mean we shouldn't have bothered?

I'm glad people like that rarely rise to positions of importance in the private sector.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'W')hat I don't understand is those who wish to make die-off happen by consciouss acts instead of letting it happen naturally, if and when we refuse to live naturally.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mr. Bean', '
')What I don't understand is those who wish to make die-off happen by consciouss acts instead of letting it happen naturally, if and when we refuse to live naturally.