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Do most here understand the true dimensions of human pain ?

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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:28:09

Stop crying for attention Jack. We all know that you are a kind hearted wuss :)

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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby Jack » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 20:33:31

Yep. You've got that right.

So it's perfectly safe to tell me where you've got your stash.

And to turn your back on me.

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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 21:07:42

You made a key mistake Jack. A sociopath never reveals himself, but tries to pass for a nice, kind, empathetic human being. :roll:

But I am sure that you know that.

Anyway, I don't want to spoil your fun. :)
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 21:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')his apparent inability to look beyond the true nature of the status quo is a function of capitalism's prowess at conditioning you, absolutely.


You seem to have found your enemy. Good for you.


There has always been an enemy, there has always been a war. However, fortunately for YOU, being born behind the lines of the advancing troops, you were oblivious to what was going on until the ranks have begun to thin and you are now catching a glimpse of the not so nice pain thats being endured by those YOu hadn't a clue existed, and the risk their advance now poses in your little cacoon of nirvanic utopia.

Millions have died to prop up this farce, billions more will die before it is finally put to rest. For those of us who sense the sad inevitability to this whole sorry saga, the only light we see at the end of this tunnel is that perhaps, perhaps...for once, the deluded such as youself may see the reality of what the vast bulk of this planet has had to endure for centuries and that perhaps, there may be sustainable change to benefit ALL of mankind.

We don't gloat over the demise of gluttony, we live in hope instead that a phoenix may arise from its ashes.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 21:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'Y')ou made a key mistake Jack. A sociopath never reveals himself, but tries to pass for a nice, kind, empathetic human being. :roll:

But I am sure that you know that.

Anyway, I don't want to spoil your fun. :)


Your interaction with the likes of our conservative friend Jack, not an uncommon sight I might add, speaks eloquently for where the loyalties of the superficial liberal class will be when the chips are down and TSHTF.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby Jack » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 22:13:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'Y')ou made a key mistake Jack. A sociopath never reveals himself, but tries to pass for a nice, kind, empathetic human being.


That's the nice thing about the internet. Even with IP addresses, it's hard to know who you're actually communicating with.

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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 22:21:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')owever, fortunately for YOU, being born behind the lines of the advancing troops, you were oblivious to what was going on until the ranks have begun to thin and you are now catching a glimpse of the not so nice pain thats being endured by those YOu hadn't a clue existed, and the risk their advance now poses in your little cacoon of nirvanic utopia.


Miss Dream,

I have no problem with you imagining me as the class enemy. However I doubt that you have much understanding of poverty, war, class conflict and so on. In fact I think that you are a rather good example of someone who has a personal issue which she mistakes for a social issue.

Furthermore, you attribute to me some sort of privileged origins and wonderland life experience which is simply a creation of your feverish mind.

What I find most disturbing in your posts is to what extent they are motivated by incessant, obsessive hatred and how little respect and consideration they show towards your fellow humans and towards their life experience. You seem to live in an abstract world where everything can be reduced to the Manichean system of communism/capitalism, a black and white caricature highly suggestive of a personality with borderline traits. This is supported by your use of glittering idealizations and verbiage, which suggests a marked lack of true human connection as well as lack of emotional content.

The world isn't split into black or white, but is a mixture of black, white and many shades and colors in between. You will keep being abandoned and avoided by others as long as you fail to deal with your issue, which is not their fault.

This being said, I strongly recommend that you visit both the Russian gulag and the Congo, it order to get some basic
reference of what other human beings have been through, and perhaps some understanding of how privileged you have been when compared to them. Never assume the life experience of the person you are talking to.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby bodigami » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 00:32:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'O')vercoming it is a deep spiritual obstacle. There are a couple of ways of getting around it, depending upon one's spiritual tradition/dogma... but which ever approach you use one must first decide that they do not wish to remain in it. One must become dissatisfied with dissatisfaction and then search diligently to find the path to something beyond it.


Interesting that hopelessness is listed as a sin. You seem to talk about projection of anger, which easily becomes hatred of the whole world.


I would probably list hopelessness as a temptation, if one wallows around in the temptation it is liable to lead to "sin" heck the very wallowing might be a sin (if you lust after a another's wife you have already committed adultery in your heart etc) but at some level hopelessness is as unavoidable as lust or anger. We will all be dipped in them at some time or another. It is what you do when thrown into lust, anger or hopelessness that is most important.

At some point we must either decide to walk out of them or be responsible for the consequences of continuing to lie in them.


One can understand Anger, Lust and Hatred so as to make them infertile in one's mind; to be free from this seeds of suffering... as I've done (the point is that it's possible).
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 00:40:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')owever, fortunately for YOU, being born behind the lines of the advancing troops, you were oblivious to what was going on until the ranks have begun to thin and you are now catching a glimpse of the not so nice pain thats being endured by those YOu hadn't a clue existed, and the risk their advance now poses in your little cacoon of nirvanic utopia.


Miss Dream,

I have no problem with you imagining me as the class enemy. However I doubt that you have much understanding of poverty, war, class conflict and so on. In fact I think that you are a rather good example of someone who has a personal issue which she mistakes for a social issue.

Furthermore, you attribute to me some sort of privileged origins and wonderland life experience which is simply a creation of your feverish mind.

What I find most disturbing in your posts is to what extent they are motivated by incessant, obsessive hatred and how little respect and consideration they show towards your fellow humans and towards their life experience. You seem to live in an abstract world where everything can be reduced to the Manichean system of communism/capitalism, a black and white caricature highly suggestive of a personality with borderline traits. This is supported by your use of glittering idealizations and verbiage, which suggests a marked lack of true human connection as well as lack of emotional content.

The world isn't split into black or white, but is a mixture of black, white and many shades and colors in between. You will keep being abandoned and avoided by others as long as you fail to deal with your issue, which is not their fault.

This being said, I strongly recommend that you visit both the Russian gulag and the Congo, it order to get some basic
reference of what other human beings have been through, and perhaps some understanding of how privileged you have been when compared to them. Never assume the life experience of the person you are talking to.


Setting aside the Russian Gulag, I would suggest that you visit the rest of this traumatised planet raped by deceit and lies by the likes of you and your conservative ilk. And I would add Congo to that list, incidentally the primary source of coltan used in mobile phones:

"Cell phones may have revolutionized the way we communicate, but in Central Africa their biggest legacy is war. Nearly 3 million people have died in Congo in a four-year war over coltan, a heat-resistant mineral ore widely used in cell phones, laptops and playstations. Eighty percent of the world's coltan reserves are in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The mountainous jungle area where the coltan is mined is the battleground of what has been grimly dubbed "Africa's first World War", pitting Congolese forces against those of six neighbouring countries and numerous armed factions. The victims are mostly civilians. Starvation and disease have killed hundreds of thousands and the fighting has displaced 2 million people from their homes. Often dismissed as an ethnic war, the conflict is really over natural resources sought by foreign corporations - diamonds, tin, copper, gold, but mostly coltan. At stake for the multitude of heavily armed militias and governments is a cut of the high-tech boom of the 1990s, which sent the price of coltan skyrocketing to peak at US$400 per kilo. Coltan -- short for Colombo-tantalite -- is refined into tantalum, a "magic powder" essential to many electronic devices. The war started in 1998 when Congolese rebel forces, backed by Rwanda and Uganda, seized eastern Congo and moved into strategic mining areas, attacking villages along the way. The Rwandan Army was soon making an estimated US$20 million a month from coltan mining. A May 2002 report from the United Nations Security Council said the huge coltan profits are fuelling the war and allowing "a large number" of government officials, rebels and foreigners "to amass as much wealth as possible." The fighting rages on despite peace treaties signed in the summer of 2002."

http://www.ccsr.cse.dmu.ac.uk/resources ... 13no5.html

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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 03:13:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')ncidentally, I am a bloke.


Are you sure ?

I am not a conservative and I am aware of the role played by coltan.

Anyway, you need psychotherapy. Get a grip of yourself and stop playing the victim of capitalism. You were most likely victimized by something or someone else.

By the way, those who died in the Gulag were also people.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 16:51:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')ncidentally, I am a bloke.


Are you sure ?

I am not a conservative and I am aware of the role played by coltan.

Anyway, you need psychotherapy. Get a grip of yourself and stop playing the victim of capitalism. You were most likely victimized by something or someone else.

By the way, those who died in the Gulag were also people.


In the true spirit of dog assed conservative politics, you insist on personalising this exchange. Whether I am in need of psychotherapy, am a gay militant born again christian marxist feminist male chauvinist pig or what ever other bizarre formulation you dream up, the fact of the matter is that you sit here with your bleeding heart liberal nonsense tut tutting affectionately at the comments of conservative types and 3 million have actually died...you know...really died, expired, gone up to the big big mac in the sky in coltan rich Congo so that you may continue to parade these bourgeoisie flights of fancy.

Nothing was ever achieved by wishful thinking other than the preservation of the status quo which sits quite comfortably with lentil munching pseudo lefties I should imagine. I don't know which is the more repulsive....the conservative (haha...what the heck are these idiots conserving incidentally)...or its travelling companion, the empty handed teeth gnashing trendy liberal tree hugging lentil eating sandal wearing closet fascist.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 17:28:06

Yeah miss Dream,

The hundreds of millions killed by communism mean nothing. Only the left wing dead mean anything to you. How sick is that. ?

Stop pretending that you care about the Congo. Even been there, by the way ? Are you doing anything to help out with that ?
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 17:44:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'Y')eah miss Dream,

The hundreds of millions killed by communism mean nothing. Only the left wing dead mean anything to you. How sick is that. ?

Stop pretending that you care about the Congo. Even been there, by the way ? Are you doing anything to help out with that ?


Once again, its MR Dream, lady.

Now, lets get to the hundreds of millions.

Where did you glean this? The capitalist press. The very press that told you that Saddam had WMD's before launching a war that has since cost at least a million lives. The same press that peddles you the fantasies about Darfur while the Chinese and the West squabble over its oil...which incidentally is the sweetest of sweet crudes.

If you are going to recount the facts of history to me my well duped friend, I suggest that you make the very difficult journey of learning something about the power of your master.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 17:54:22

Can someone get this troll out of here ?
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:13:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'C')an someone get this troll out of here ?


Oh, and you now seek to silence me! I have you cornered and YOU know it!
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:15:31

Incidentally, I'm done with you. So bye bye and keep taking the oil, coltan, and other goodies.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:20:57

Good riddance.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:43:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'G')ood riddance.


Like I said, a closet fascist.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby btu2012 » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 18:58:05

Good riddance.
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Re: The true dimensions of pain

Postby americandream » Thu 19 Jun 2008, 19:00:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'G')ood riddance.


Yawn...can't take robust democratic exchange can we my matey! Head in sand syndrome ail thee?
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