[btu2012]

Good riddance there again.

[americandream]

[quote="btu2012"]Good riddance there again. [/quote

Err.....anyone ever tell you, you're a meany?

[btu2012]

Can't give up, can you ?

[threadbear]

I wonder about torture.If someone ever seriously hurt someone I cared about, without just cause and ENJOYED it, I'd kill them. I wouldn't equivocate, reflect, or ponder. The person would be dispatched very quickly. I may even enjoy killing them, like I was fulfilling a moral imperative. If for some reason, I was unable to kill them, I would have to punch them until my arms hurt. But actual torture? I don't think so.

[btu2012]

I agree with you threadbear. Torture is never justified.

However killing is sometimes justified, for example in self-defense.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I') agree with you threadbear. Torture is never justified.

However killing is sometimes justified, for example in self-defense.

[threadbear]

Oh...one more thing. I saw part of this terrible movie, The Hostel, about vacationers in Eastern Europe who are tricked into being tortured to death at a kind of Club Dead for sadists. I couldn't watch the torture scenes, so it was a little difficult to piece together what was happening, but just caught enough to be horrified at the prospect that anyone would watch this and enjoy it.

My question is, if people who relish witnessing misery were culled from the general population, would a genetic modification take place. If it did take place could the gene or genes responsible have any survival value, could they express differently or could they be colinked to some other trait? Could we lose something valuable at the same time?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')h...one more thing. I saw part of this terrible movie, The Hostel, about vacationers in Eastern Europe who are tricked into being tortured to death at a kind of Club Dead for sadists. I couldn't watch the torture scenes, so it was a little difficult to piece together what was happening, but just caught enough to be horrified at the prospect that anyone would watch this and enjoy it.

My question is, if people who relish witnessing misery were culled from the general population, would a genetic modification take place. If it did take place could the gene or genes responsible have any survival value, could they express differently or could they be colinked to some other trait? Could we lose something valuable at the same time?

[btu2012]

It's really tough to answer either way. We don't seem to know for sure if psychopathy is inborn or acquired.

What we do know is that certain people are a serious danger to others, so we can take measures to identify them and limit the damage which they can do.

It has been my experience that those attracted to extreme ideologies or extremist "religious" positions tend to have some personality disorder. I suspect that this serves as a sort of camouflage or sometimes outer expression of their problem.

[threadbear]

I actually think relishing other's pain could be partly genetic, and perhaps that trait qualifies one as a sociopath--which is thought to have some physical cause, be it genetic or early brain damage. Perhaps it is an inclination that lies dormant and atrophies if not triggered by events that occur early on.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I')t's really tough to answer either way. We don't seem to know for sure if psychopathy is inborn or acquired.

What we do know is that certain people are a serious danger to others, so we can take measures to identify them and limit the damage which they can do.

It has been my experience that those attracted to extreme ideologies or extremist "religious" positions tend to have some personality disorder. I suspect that this serves as a sort of camouflage or sometimes outer expression of their problem.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I')t's really tough to answer either way. We don't seem to know for sure if psychopathy is inborn or acquired.

What we do know is that certain people are a serious danger to others, so we can take measures to identify them and limit the damage which they can do.

It has been my experience that those attracted to extreme ideologies or extremist "religious" positions tend to have some personality disorder. I suspect that this serves as a sort of camouflage or sometimes outer expression of their problem.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I')t's really tough to answer either way. We don't seem to know for sure if psychopathy is inborn or acquired.

What we do know is that certain people are a serious danger to others, so we can take measures to identify them and limit the damage which they can do.

It has been my experience that those attracted to extreme ideologies or extremist "religious" positions tend to have some personality disorder. I suspect that this serves as a sort of camouflage or sometimes outer expression of their problem.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')'m really baffled by women who have been repeatedly beaten by their husbands and end up dead.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')'ve noticed the same thing. I think too that people sometimes find it easier to hem in their own extreme impulses if they construct a strict abusive pseudo parent to control them., in the form of a God. It's too overwhelming and difficult for them to develop the necessary self control and understanding of self to just lean on self discipline.

[americandream]

"What we do know is that certain people are a serious danger to others, so we can take measures to identify them and limit the damage which they can do."

Love....in the context of the above rather vague comments can mean anything to anyone. Was it love that motivated Hitler to identify "them"...the mentally ill, the jews, the bolsheviks, gypsies.

Attributing emotional factors to unpleasant social outcomes to the exclusion of objectively consistent economic facts can be extremely dangerous and reduce to a sham what might well have been nobly inspired objectives.

[Revi]

People get stuck in abusive relationships. Hell could be right next door, or down the street from you. That's why the safe house is so important. Most people in abusive relationships are killed when they try to leave it.

I don't envy the job of the policeman who is called to a domestic violence case.

[btu2012]

Me neither. And it's sometimes hard to know who the abuser is.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'P')eople get stuck in abusive relationships. Hell could be right next door, or down the street from you. That's why the safe house is so important. Most people in abusive relationships are killed when they try to leave it.

I don't envy the job of the policeman who is called to a domestic violence case.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'P')eople get stuck in abusive relationships. Hell could be right next door, or down the street from you. That's why the safe house is so important. Most people in abusive relationships are killed when they try to leave it.

I don't envy the job of the policeman who is called to a domestic violence case.