Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Human Stress (es) Thread (merged)

Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby CrudeAwakening » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 17:35:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsincur', 'I') have to carry on in a world that is falling apart as if it were not falling apart. I have to smile and complete tasks that are neither that interesting nor necessary, sacrificing time that could be spent on positive things that could be done in order to make the time for that which must be done but are not really important.

I can really relate to that, WC. It seems sometimes that my priorities are all out of whack. I continue in my professional life, acting as if the current paradigm will just carry on as always, putting much of my daily energy into what is likely to be a dead-end if TS truly does HTF. But it pays my bills and allows me to save for the future, while I am not yet in a position to diminish my dependence on the teat of modern civilization.

At the same time, I find that I am putting less and less time into maintaining skills relevant to my current occupation, and now see myself as remaining in my profession for no more than five years at most. I have a somewhat schizophrenic attitude to my job, recognising it's importance in allowing me to prepare financially, but irrationally resenting the imposition it places on my time, which seems to be more and more valuable as time marches on. But I'm sure that one day I will reflect on how lucky I was to have the kind of job I have. It just seems like there aren't enough hours in the day to do what needs to be done.
"Who knows what the Second Law of Thermodynamics will be like in a hundred years?" - Economist speaking during planning for World Population Conference in early 1970s
User avatar
CrudeAwakening
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 834
Joined: Tue 28 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby BigTex » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 17:51:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', 'I') have a somewhat schizophrenic attitude to my job, recognising its importance in allowing me to prepare financially, but irrationally resenting the imposition it places on my time, which seems to be more and more valuable as time marches on.


You've touched on an important point there, and I'll bet a lot of people are feeling that same kind of ambivalence.

Thanks for pulling that one out of the ether.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby CrudeAwakening » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 18:16:28

Yeah, it's an odd frame of mind to be in, BigTex. I think your points about the contingency of the future are valid; for me, there's enough of a whiff of doom that it would be foolish not to prepare for the worst, and yet it always pays to be mindful that I could be wrong in my prognostications. That can't help but produce a degree of inner psychological tension.

If we knew for sure what was coming, we could wholeheartedly align our psyches with that future; it's partly the element of uncertainty that aggravates underlying anxiety, IMO. Kind of a derangement of the "fight-or-flight" response.
"Who knows what the Second Law of Thermodynamics will be like in a hundred years?" - Economist speaking during planning for World Population Conference in early 1970s
User avatar
CrudeAwakening
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 834
Joined: Tue 28 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby BigTex » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 18:43:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', 'Y')eah, it's an odd frame of mind to be in, BigTex. I think your points about the contingency of the future are valid; for me, there's enough of a whiff of doom that it would be foolish not to prepare for the worst, and yet it always pays to be mindful that I could be wrong in my prognostications. That can't help but produce a degree of inner psychological tension.

If we knew for sure what was coming, we could wholeheartedly align our psyches with that future; it's partly the element of uncertainty that aggravates underlying anxiety, IMO. Kind of a derangement of the "fight-or-flight" response.


Not to mention that we are talking about a vision of the future shared by very few people.

So there is the "you might be a kook" element as well, which makes you want to be sort of low key about your true beliefs.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 18:50:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', 'F')rom what you're saying Wisconsin, I'm getting "better the devil you know than the devil you don't..."? Is that accurate?



Pretty much. Or, perhaps to be less committed on the whole thing,

"Never forget, that the devil you don't know is still a devil and it has the tactical advantage of surprise."
http://www.thenewfederalistpapers.com
User avatar
wisconsin_cur
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4576
Joined: Thu 10 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: 45 degrees North. 883 feet above sealevel.

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby Revi » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 20:58:33

I feel like we have one foot in this world, and one in the next. The change is coming. I think a little preparation can't hurt. Who knows what the future holds?

We have no way of knowing what's going to happen. We can make educated guesses, but there is no certain path that things will go in.

That's what makes it exciting. We threw our inner tubes into a river today without knowing what we would encounter. We floated along, hiked around obstacles and had a great time.

I hope peak oil is a little like that.
Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
User avatar
Revi
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7417
Joined: Mon 25 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Maine

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby mmasters » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 21:04:40

It all doesn't bother me too much anymore. I believe when we're done with life here we go somewhere else. We're in a continual process of transformation like that. As such there is no such thing as death and nothing to fear. Nothing here to be overly attached to or take too seriously either.

So do your best with the given circumstances and go with what's right. Your intuition will guide you to where you need to go if you let it. :)
User avatar
mmasters
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2272
Joined: Sun 16 Apr 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Mid-Atlantic

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby threadbear » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 22:41:17

I'm tired and cranky.

I want the persistent delusion of consumerism to fade like old wallpaper or I want to rip it off and get a really good look at what's left underneath.
I'm tired of the waiting, tired of the miles of smiles that pass for real happiness, tired of the pinheaded mental dwarfs that haunt the nightly news.
Tired of 110 different kinds of sneakers.

If being tired and on a slow simmer, much of the time is pre traumatic stress disorder--I qualify.
User avatar
threadbear
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7577
Joined: Sat 22 Jan 2005, 04:00:00

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby Cog » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 06:01:58

Have you ever considered that the consumerist-driven people might really be happy that way?
User avatar
Cog
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 13416
Joined: Sat 17 May 2008, 03:00:00
Location: Northern Kekistan

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 06:24:57

Washington Post Reports


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne in 10 American women takes an antidepressant drug such as Prozac, Paxil or Zoloft, and the use of such drugs by all adults has nearly tripled in the last decade, according to the latest figures on American health released yesterday by the federal government.
Those numbers are among a broad array of changes in health and health care use in the United States identified in the report. It confirmed that prescription drug costs are soaring faster than any other area of medical care as ever-increasing numbers of Americans take drugs for psychiatric conditions, to lower their cholesterol, to control asthma and for a wide range of other reasons.

In 2002, the latest year for which data were available, the total tab for health care soared to $1.6 trillion -- of which prescription drugs accounted for $162 billion, the report found. Drug costs rose by 15 percent over the year before, driven by a combination of more expensive medicines and increased use.

The report comes at a time when questions are growing about the costs and safety of many prescription drugs. The Food and Drug Administration recently concluded that antidepressants can increase the risk of suicidal behavior among children, and the manufacturer of Vioxx abruptly recalled the popular painkiller for safety reasons. A senior FDA official testified in Congress last month that he believes five other approved drugs are dangerous and should be taken off the market.

Antidepressant drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) showed some of the largest increases in use, the report said. By 2000, the proportion of adults using such drugs had nearly tripled, compared with the data set that ended in 1994.



What we think will make us happy and what will truly lead to happiness are, usually, very different things. Just because someone says, "If I get x, then I will be happy" does not make it so. In fact in the pursuit of x people often sacrifice things which might have once had the potential to be a catalyst for happiness. things like relationships and hobbies.

I would grant that many conumerist driven people know of no other way to be but I would not go so far as to say that this makes them "happy" in that way of being; only trapped with no way to imagine any other way of being.
http://www.thenewfederalistpapers.com
User avatar
wisconsin_cur
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 4576
Joined: Thu 10 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: 45 degrees North. 883 feet above sealevel.
Top

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby BigTex » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 11:09:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'H')ave you ever considered that the consumerist-driven people might really be happy that way?


I always try to be mindful of that, and yet I think the illusion of happiness created by consumerism is part of what creates such a profound sense of emptiness in people in the first place.

They imagine they are happy, and then they get frustrated because they feel that there should be more to life than this shallow and disposable "happiness."

So their need for something profound leads them to watch Oprah on their television sets.

[BigTex slaps his head Homer Simpson-style.]
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland
Top

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby vetusfirma » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 12:06:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'H')ave you ever considered that the consumerist-driven people might really be happy that way?


I always try to be mindful of that, and yet I think the illusion of happiness created by consumerism is part of what creates such a profound sense of emptiness in people in the first place.

They imagine they are happy, and then they get frustrated because they feel that there should be more to life than this shallow and disposable "happiness."

So their need for something profound leads them to watch Oprah on their television sets.

[BigTex slaps his head Homer Simpson-style.]


GOT SOUP!
HOLDING THE CENTER
vetusfirma
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 214
Joined: Sun 25 May 2008, 03:00:00
Location: West KC
Top

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby BigTex » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 15:20:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'G')OT SOUP!


You have referred to soup several times in responding to my posts.

What are you talking about?

I've got a couple of different theories, but I figured it would be easier to just ask what you mean.

BTW, do you have anything to add to the discussion regarding the OP?

Mixing in a little substance with the heckling would be good, I think.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland
Top

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby vetusfirma » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 15:48:17

Your right tex. As far as substance, lets go back to the compassion thin with you giving bums a can of soup (or something) and a spoon. If we say that the only point in life is to be happy and the only motivating stimulus is a want or a need, you feed the bum so you feel good. If I don't feed the bum, because I don't want them around, I feel good about discouraging bumdom, so to speak. Someone wants to discourage consumerism, because they don't want consumers has just as much right to feel good as the person who wants to promote consumerism, for what ever reason.

That is unless you believe that mankind has a destiny and is 'supposed' to continue toward some kind of highly civilized utopia.

If you world view is totally self centered and relativistic, then the consumer does not matter. If on the other hand you are other centered and have devotion to something, say higher that self, then consumerism can become bad in relation to the higher purpose. The question then is 'do you force everyone to be devote and follow the true path?'. I have my answer, but I don 't pretend to have the right answer.
HOLDING THE CENTER
vetusfirma
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 214
Joined: Sun 25 May 2008, 03:00:00
Location: West KC

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby kpeavey » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 19:00:37

I have no idea what you're talking about so here's a rabbit with a pancake on its head.

Image
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
_____

twenty centuries of stony sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, and what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
-George Yeats
User avatar
kpeavey
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1670
Joined: Mon 04 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby greenworm » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 20:01:09

Love will cure it, find somebody you love and tell them you love them and give them a big hug and feel each others energy.
User avatar
greenworm
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 862
Joined: Fri 27 Jan 2006, 04:00:00

Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Postby greenworm » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 20:13:56

Image


Actually the key to stress relief is in that picture right there.

It is love. Wome loves the child and stands close guard to the child.
And man loves both and stands guard over both.

Love is the cure for stress. Love can make you smile and love can make you cry. Both relieve stress.

It brings great insight.
User avatar
greenworm
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 862
Joined: Fri 27 Jan 2006, 04:00:00

Re: Dealing with High to Extreme Stress Levels

Postby Revi » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 20:19:24

I go for walks in the woods to relieve my stress. I need time without a lot of other humans every day. It helps a lot.

I bring my dog, and she's usually good at relieving stress.
Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
User avatar
Revi
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7417
Joined: Mon 25 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Maine

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby BigTex » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 23:32:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'I') have no idea what you're talking about so here's a rabbit with a pancake on its head.

Image


Very nice.

Sort of has a Zen quality to it.

I like it.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland
Top

Re: "Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder"

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Jun 2008, 00:03:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'L')ove will cure it, find somebody you love and tell them you love them and give them a big hug and feel each others energy.


I think there are a lot of reasons people are miserable these days and empty consumerism is probably a smaller factor vs. the general detachment people have from one another.
mos6507
 
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Medical Issues Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest