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Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:06:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'D')on't relax just becasue armageddon is 2060.
2060 is just the final battle between good and evil. There is a whole lotta bad stuff happening before then, like the turmoil that leads to the coming od the anti-christ.
Personally I think timewise it looks quite reasonable.


I posted this one in the Crop Circle thread.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Ludi » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:07:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'D')on't relax just becasue armageddon is 2060.
2060 is just the final battle between good and evil. There is a whole lotta bad stuff happening before then, like the turmoil that leads to the coming od the anti-christ.
Personally I think timewise it looks quite reasonable.

But after thousands of years of fighting, wars, slavery and deceases, getting 1000 years of rule of God hardly seems good enough.


Do you agree with this timeline?:

http://www.rapturechrist.com/timeline.htm

How do these events match up with the "final battle between good and evil" in 2060?

What event in Revelation do you consider the "final battle between good and evil"? Isn't that after the thousand years of the rule of the saints?
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:09:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'D')on't relax just becasue armageddon is 2060.
2060 is just the final battle between good and evil. There is a whole lotta bad stuff happening before then, like the turmoil that leads to the coming od the anti-christ.
Personally I think timewise it looks quite reasonable.

But after thousands of years of fighting, wars, slavery and deceases, getting 1000 years of rule of God hardly seems good enough.


Do you agree with this timeline?:

http://www.rapturechrist.com/timeline.htm

How do these events match up with the "final battle between good and evil" in 2060?

What event in Revelation do you consider the "final battle between good and evil"? Isn't that after the thousand years of the rule of the saints?


Before. :razz:
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Pops » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:12:51

So I'm wondering, in the psy thread on the number one or two PO site in the world, what does this thread have to do with anything?

<<just asking>>
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Ludi » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:14:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'S')o I'm wondering, in the psy thread on the number one or two PO site in the world, what does this thread have to do with anything?

<<just asking>>



A number of people think the events revolving around peak oil are related to us being in the End Times.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Pops » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:21:06

Yea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Ludi » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:23:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?


Some people think PO is Armageddon Central.
:)
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:28:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?


Some people think PO is Armageddon Central.
:)


+1

Some get into all the PO data. Some into all the preps. Some into all the money stuff. And well others, tend to get more into the spiritual side.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby DomusAlbion » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:29:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?


Some people think PO is Armageddon Central.
:)


It would be nice if they reevaluated their thinking on that. PO needs all its bandwidth for helping others learn about PO and how to mitigate the problems associated with the many changes coming.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Ludi » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:33:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', ' ')PO needs all its bandwidth for helping others learn about PO and how to mitigate the problems associated with the many changes coming.


And yet we spend so much time yakking about "what might happen" Yes, I'm guilty too. :oops: But really more interested in "what are we doing about it"
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:34:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ea it was a redundant question, just wondering why it was at PO and not AC (Armageddon Central)?


Some people think PO is Armageddon Central.
:)


It would be nice if they reevaluated their thinking on that. PO needs all its bandwidth for helping others learn about PO and how to mitigate the problems associated with the many changes coming.


My brain don't think that way. Others here, I'm sure [s]think[/s] feel the same way I do. Get it?
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:36:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', ' ')PO needs all its bandwidth for helping others learn about PO and how to mitigate the problems associated with the many changes coming.


And yet we spend so much time yakking about "what might happen" Yes, I'm guilty too. :oops: But really more interested in "what are we doing about it"


And what the future has in store for us. As ppl, as the human race. The age of the sixth Sun!

After all, this is a psyc thread.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby charliebrownout » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 20:58:41

By that time I'll be 80.

Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.

Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.

Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...

At any rate: HAVE FUN IN 2060!
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Judgie » Wed 11 Jun 2008, 22:02:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'B')y that time I'll be 80.

Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.

Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.

Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...

At any rate: HAVE FUN IN 2060!


If TSHTF like many believe it will, then you won't have to worry about getting anywhere NEAR 80.
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby SILENTTODD » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 17:31:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven in Halley's day they made a definite distinction between ASTRONOMY-the study of the motions and properties of celestial opjects; and ASTROLOGY-how planets (and they only knew of 5 of them in Newton's day) somehow effected human events.


Oh?

It is a fact that the early Sumerians knew of the solar system. They knew that the solar system was made up of the Sun –a sphere- (Apsu) at its center and was circled by spherical celestial bodies. They knew of Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Earth (Ki), the Moon (Kingu), Mars (Lahmu), Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), Pluto (Gaga) and a mysterious celestial body known as Marduk or Nibiru.


Quote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.

Refer to Carl's quote below:
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby vision-master » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 18:47:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven in Halley's day they made a definite distinction between ASTRONOMY-the study of the motions and properties of celestial opjects; and ASTROLOGY-how planets (and they only knew of 5 of them in Newton's day) somehow effected human events.



Oh?

It is a fact that the early Sumerians knew of the solar system. They knew that the solar system was made up of the Sun –a sphere- (Apsu) at its center and was circled by spherical celestial bodies. They knew of Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Earth (Ki), the Moon (Kingu), Mars (Lahmu), Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), Pluto (Gaga) and a mysterious celestial body known as Marduk or Nibiru.


Quote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.

Refer to Carl's quote below:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')bout four billion years ago, when our solar system was very young, the Earth, as we know it, did not exist. If we were to name the planets, starting from the Sun, we would have Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Mars (Lahmu), Tiamat, Kingu, Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), and Pluto (Gaga). Yes, the Sumerians knew, and had names for, all of the planets in our solar system as recent (or long ago) as six thousand years ago! It was written in one of their early "books" known as The Epic of Creation, which predates the Hebrew Genesis by more than a thousand years. The first words of The Creation Epic, given to Gilgamesh, were, Enuma Elish, "When in the heights," just as in the opening of Genesis we read, Berashith, "In the beginning..." Scholars now know that the first few chapters of Genesis are really a condensed version of Enuma Elish. This is important to remember, because the key to understanding pre-historical events (as recorded by the Sumerians) and subsequent historical events, resides with the very personage of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews.



http://www.karenlyster.com/sitchina.html

ENUMA ELISH
THE EPIC OF CREATION
L.W. King Translator
(from The Seven Tablets of Creation, London 1902)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm

About Sumer
http://www.lloydpye.com/flash/11-Sumer.swf
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby Micki » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 21:35:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you agree with this timeline?:

http://www.rapturechrist.com/timeline.htm

How do these events match up with the "final battle between good and evil" in 2060?

What event in Revelation do you consider the "final battle between good and evil"? Isn't that after the thousand years of the rule of the saints?

Ludi, I have to confess that it is at least 10 if not 15 years since I read the book of revelation so my memory may be a bit hazy.
Going from memory, the book however does not give indication of durations of each event. But in a reasonably paced speed 2060 for the beginning of the millenium seems possible.
Looking at the link you sent me the timeline seems thrown around a bit. i.e. makes me wonder if it hasn't been written down in the correct order. I'll see if I can spare a few hours and have a read through the book again then maybe I have some more opinions.


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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby threadbear » Sat 14 Jun 2008, 22:11:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
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The age of peace and tranquility is waning.........


Au contraire; I propose that the age of peace and tranquility is just around the corner. Admittedly, there are a few significant hiccups between now and then. But I see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Peace. :)


Turtle--I don't know if Armegeddon is coming but it's nice to see YOU back, Turtle. We've missed you!
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby grampybone » Sun 15 Jun 2008, 06:38:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('charliebrownout', 'B')y that time I'll be 80.

Frankly, if I'm not dead by 2050, I'll probably pull a Hemmingway. I'm not one of these psychos that wants to live to be 150 or some crazy number.

Do you have any idea the number of pills, pains, and fake parts the average person needs to hit 80? Noooooooooooo spank you. I have no desire to be toddling around in a diaper with my own great-grandkids, slowly losing my mind to dementia.

Wearing a diaper and drooling is cute at age 12months....at 960 months....less so...

At any rate: HAVE FUN IN 2060!



LOL!
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Re: Armageddon date established - Book of Revelation (2060)

Postby SILENTTODD » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 03:03:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', 'Q')uote me source on a pre-William Hershel (discoverer of Uranus 1781) knowledge of the existence of the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto (Dwarf Planet as it is now called) from a refereed scientific journal,and I'll take your statement seriously.

Refer to Carl's quote below:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'A')bout four billion years ago, when our solar system was very young, the Earth, as we know it, did not exist. If we were to name the planets, starting from the Sun, we would have Mercury (Mummu), Venus (Lahamu), Mars (Lahmu), Tiamat, Kingu, Jupiter (Kishar), Saturn (Anshar), Uranus (Anu), Neptune (Ea), and Pluto (Gaga). Yes, the Sumerians knew, and had names for, all of the planets in our solar system as recent (or long ago) as six thousand years ago! It was written in one of their early "books" known as The Epic of Creation, which predates the Hebrew Genesis by more than a thousand years. The first words of The Creation Epic, given to Gilgamesh, were, Enuma Elish, "When in the heights," just as in the opening of Genesis we read, Berashith, "In the beginning..." Scholars now know that the first few chapters of Genesis are really a condensed version of Enuma Elish. This is important to remember, because the key to understanding pre-historical events (as recorded by the Sumerians) and subsequent historical events, resides with the very personage of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews.



http://www.karenlyster.com/sitchina.html

ENUMA ELISH
THE EPIC OF CREATION
L.W. King Translator
(from The Seven Tablets of Creation, London 1902)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm

About Sumer
http://www.lloydpye.com/flash/11-Sumer.swf[/quote]
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An interesting translation of an epic myth, by one individual. Many cultures have them. But my point remains. Nothing in that whole script could objectively be used to identify any of the outer planets. There is nothing, about size, distance, orbital period, or any other property that could be used to identify one of them from that translation.

A question comes to my mind if your just slapping names to planets from that myth, what about the big four minor-planets Ceres, Vesta, Pallas and Juno? All of them have individual orbits and were discovered with small telescopes even before Neptune, because from Earth their brighter! Two of the planetary moons in the solar system, Jupiter's Ganymede, and Saturn's Titan are actually bigger than Mercury. You'd think they'd get a mention?

Your source is from the web. While the translation may be a very good one, it doesn't cut the mustard as "a refereed scientific journal".
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