[Pretorian]

thats a Capoid btw

[Alcassin]

@v-m
Ancient Carthage
Ancient Nubia,
Ancient Ethiopia,
Kingdom of Mali,
Whatever, here is the link African Empires
And Egypt still is in Africa.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '@')v-m
Ancient Carthage
Ancient Nubia,
Ancient Ethiopia,
Kingdom of Mali,
Whatever, here is the link African Empires
And Egypt still is in Africa.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '@')v-m
Ancient Carthage
Ancient Nubia,
Ancient Ethiopia,
Kingdom of Mali,
Whatever, here is the link African Empires
And Egypt still is in Africa.

[Alcassin]

Pretorian, read very carefully. I know that in age of image it's not so easy.
I was referring to this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') disagree. Well maybe the earliest humanoids "types" came from Africa, but not civilized man. Great civilizations sprouted very quickly and not by evolution of millions-of-years. Something else has been at play. Ideas?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I') was referring to this:

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I') was referring to this:

[Pops]

Ya know, P. the Moderators who volunteer here really spend lots of time helping folks find things important and keeping discussions somewhat civil and your deal seems to be causing as much trouble as possible at least in this subject.

As we are in the Psy forum, I think we should talk a little about what is your deal.


Anyone want to offer an opinion as to Preto's psyche?

[Ferretlover]

Upbinging?
I cannot see a good reason for aggressive negative attitudes about any general race.
If one can't make judgements on each person with whom they have dealings and insist on painting all with the same paintbrush, that person is going to end up with grossly inaccurate perceptions.
I don't see that reasoning is going to change the mind of anyone that feels the need to remain firmly set in their mindset.
Adjusting and refining one's point of view is the mark of a well-adjusted person. Espousing ideas that are based on false (unproven) assumptions is not such a mark.
[Edited to fill in left out word]

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'A')nyone want to offer an opinion as to Preto's psyche?

[Pops]

I never could understand why some people make little categories in their brain to pigeonhole others by outward appearances or perceived differences from themselves and then build all sorts of rationals to support their little cubbyholes.

Is that a sign of a closed mind, a feeling of inferiority or just general lack of self-esteem?

[btu2012]

I mostly think that's projection of anger, or sometimes based on over-generalization or bad experience. The human psyche has a tendency to project its "shadow" (bad parts) into something external -- that becomes hatred of something or someone outside. The stronger the hatred, the darker the shadow.

Sometimes it's sheer lack of knowledge or sensitivity. There are cultures where it's still OK to be blatantly racist, because those societies at large hold racist conceptions. Looking down on somebody else sometimes supports a society's or person's self-esteem.

Everyone has a shadow and everyone projects, one thing you can do is to work on the shadow, and another is to direct your anger appropriately (i.e. at what/who harmed you).

Interesting that Pret accuses Alcassin of ignorance of Africa, even though Alcassin finished African Studies.

[Ayoob]

I think it's pretty interesting that most message boards ban discussion of racism unless the discussion is about how we're all the same. In a free marketplace of ideas, stupid ideas are swatted down pretty quickly. Why is the discussion of the differences between the races quashed?

I think it's because it's pretty hard to argue with the evidence. Eventually, this discussion will be accepted in much the same way that the evolution vs creation discussion is accepted. Some will always be on the creation side (we're all the same) and some will always be on the evolution side (we're not all the same). The creationists will always think the evolutionists are assholes because they shatter illusions, and the evolutionists will probably always think of themselves as more educated because the evidence fits their argument better.

We have no problem talking about the dieoff in third world nations numbering in the billions, but to suggest that races of people differ from each other in substantial ways (which I think is a much less offensive discussion to have) is completely out of the question.

Man of faith, or man of science? Which are you.

[TreebeardsUncle]

See the book The Bell Curve.

There are differences in intelligence among the races.

Jews, for example, have very high verbal intelligence.
(Am descended from the Levine(Old Kingdom priestly) family which is one of the reasons I earned a perfect 800 on the GRE verbal score in 1997.)

Asians, particularly orientals, score very high on a certain kind of non-verbal (probably mathematical or visual/spatial) intelligence.

American blacks average a standard deviation (about 85) below the white mean (close to South African coloreds) and Latinos about half a standard deviation below.

Atually West Africans score even lower than American blacks (down in the 70s I think.

This has bearing on how they respond to new situations, how well-run their societies are, how they plan for the future or not, how well they can abstract or not etc.

Geoff

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') think it's pretty interesting that most message boards ban discussion of racism unless the discussion is about how we're all the same. In a free marketplace of ideas, stupid ideas are swatted down pretty quickly. Why is the discussion of the differences between the races quashed?

I think it's because it's pretty hard to argue with the evidence. Eventually, this discussion will be accepted in much the same way that the evolution vs creation discussion is accepted. Some will always be on the creation side (we're all the same) and some will always be on the evolution side (we're not all the same). The creationists will always think the evolutionists are assholes because they shatter illusions, and the evolutionists will probably always think of themselves as more educated because the evidence fits their argument better.

We have no problem talking about the dieoff in third world nations numbering in the billions, but to suggest that races of people differ from each other in substantial ways (which I think is a much less offensive discussion to have) is completely out of the question.

Man of faith, or man of science? Which are you.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'W')hy is the discussion of the differences between the races quashed?

[Ayoob]

Fair enough, bud. Have me banned. Truth be damned.

[btu2012]

Oh, you are in possession of the absolute truth ?

And Ayoob, this site is extraordinarily tolerant by most standards, in that it truly stresses free speech. Your complaints have no basis.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', '
')Jews, for example, have very high verbal intelligence.
(Am descended from the Levine(Old Kingdom priestly) family which is one of the reasons I earned a perfect 800 on the GRE verbal score in 1997.)

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')Stop admiring your image in the mirror.