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Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 20:53:28

Jared Diamon talks PO on NewsHour. Fell off my couch just now. Need some help to get a link.
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Re: Jered Diamond on PBS

Postby Troyboy1208 » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:05:36

I have read his books "guns, Germs, and steel" and "Collapse" Both are awesome reads...and quite doomerish :)
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Re: Jered Diamond on PBS

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:06:58

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Re: Jered Diamond on PBS

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:09:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'P')ops, it will take about 24 hours for the video and transcript to be uploaded after the show airs.

Dang.
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Re: Jered Diamond on PBS

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:16:36

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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 21:43:32

Good stuff!
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Revi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:08:43

I like Diamond's commentary. I've read his books, and he didn't say whether oil would be the cause of collapse, but he hinted at it. Peak oil is all over the news now.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:16:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'P')eak oil is all over the news now.


Its gonna be you and him tomorrow Buddy.

We all hope...
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby frankthetank » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:37:44

Just watched it. Not sure what to think. I think he could have went way more doomer. It seemed to me that PBS guy was trying to really push the subject and hope for some doom from Diamond...or maybe not?
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Pops » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:39:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'I')s PBS turning doomer? :shock:

I've been listening to Ray since he was an NPR guy.

He seems pretty ok to me.

As to PBS turning Doomer, I guess we'll see.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby roccman » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:45:59

How utterly disappointing.

Jared using Japan and WWII and "the" example of oil wars.

Wow...

There was a time (not long ago) that men had balls that clanked.

How very disappointing.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby vision-master » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 22:51:12

It was refreshing to hear at least a hint of optimism.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Ludi » Tue 03 Jun 2008, 23:19:01

Optimism from Mr Collapse? 8O
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:27:20

"If there is a collapse, it will be a world wide collapse"

That is about it isn't it Hoss? The earth is one big Easter island... ... and will our grandchildren know who or why those funny monuments were built?
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'J')ust watched it. Not sure what to think. I think he could have went way more doomer.


Keep in mind - we've seen it here a thousand times. You hit a newbie with the full force of doom and they run away. And these are people who managed to find this website mostly through their own devices. If you don't spoon feed reality to Joe Sixpack, they will literally shit a brick.

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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby dohboi » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:42:57

rockman wrote: "How utterly disappointing. Jared using Japan and WWII and "the" example of oil wars. Wow... There was a time (not long ago) that men had balls that clanked. How very disappointing."

I really have absolutely no f'n idea what you are saying here. Please clarify, since, even when you say things I disagree with, they are generally interesting. But I just can't quite figure out what you are trying to say. What is disappointing about using WWII as an example of an oil war? And what does this have to do with clanking balls?
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby roccman » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:48:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', ' ')What is disappointing about using WWII as an example of an oil war? And what does this have to do with clanking balls?


Why not use "the" political hot Iraq button?

Like Naomi Wolf - calling for the people of America to rise up against the wall street pigs and gobbermint YET NOT CALLING 911 AN INSIDE JOB.

Folk with influence (or perceived influence) should grow a pair...Keith Olbermann has a pair that clanks.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 00:53:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'K')eith Olbermann has a pair that clanks.


I love listening to that guy. It's too bad the mainstream media has basically relegated him to "token liberal" status.
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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby pjd2 » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 01:02:27

I saw Jared Diamond at a small college here last year. JD did a point by point plot synopsis of Collapse for his talk. Sortof boring if you already read the book. A man in the audience asked his opinion about peak oil and the way it will affect us. Basically JD's opinion was that we will just drive less, and alternative fuel/energy sources will have to take up the slack. The man (in the audience) clarified his question, and boiled it down to weither peak oil could cause collapse. Jared basically responded "no" in a sentence or two. It was very conucopian. I lost some respect for JD at that moment. I would have to see the transript, because I would like to see how much his opinion has changed in the past 11 months.

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Re: Jared Diamond talks PO on NewsHour.

Postby TheDude » Wed 04 Jun 2008, 01:04:34

WWII was far more sanguinary than Iraq; show is far from over though. Jared points out that in our globalized world collapse has the potential to be widespread, too. Pretty broad hints that this can go awfully far.

Don't think Jared's choosing his words on their machismo potential, either. Or that he's mincing.

How much clank potential do you give Greenspan for his post-Iraq synopsis, rocc? "Of course it was about oil! You think I should have said so at the time, eh? Fuck You!"

Time to test that proffanity filter. Cocksucker.
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