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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Fri 30 May 2008, 02:09:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'Y')eah well when you have a heart attack or get sick I bet you go to the doctor.

For last 10 + years I needed one once (leg injury).
I am using dentist about once a year though.

My wife needed antibiotic 2 or 3 times, but I think that it was feminine health paranoia (she could easily manage without that medication).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you dont ever need a doc, good for you, but some people cannot live without one.

Those who frequently need doctor are going to be between first customers of dieoff.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby joelcolorado » Fri 30 May 2008, 10:14:37

Wifes liability insurance is 60k a year. Put that in your budget.

She works 85 hours a week so evidently there are a lot ofppl out there needing medical care and cant just get by.

With diabetes, you dont just GET BY. You die. Or heart disease, or other organ issues. I understand some people can get by but most cannot.

I know her office fired an attorney due to his arguing with them all the time so it works both ways.

Yes, mistakes are made I am sure. It takes a hell of an ego to be able to operate on a person or to prescribe meds or treatment based on what the person TELLS you and the tests available. Sometimes you just dont know. People dont GET that do they.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby vetusfirma » Fri 30 May 2008, 10:40:26

Please, lets be realistic. The weak will die. A sad but true thing. Those useless lawyers, politicians, and talking heads will also not meet Darwin’s test. I am one of the weak, but that doesn’t mean I won’t try, just means I probably won’t make it. But I won’t drag down any of mine in a vain effort either. I many other countries I’d be dead already, so I feel I’ve had my extra anyway.

Just my thoughts.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby joelcolorado » Fri 30 May 2008, 10:51:33

I guess most service or professional people will not be needed will they. Who is going to need an attorney or engineer if things go to hell.

Friends said son grad law school and there are NO jobs out there anywhere.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby Jenab6 » Fri 30 May 2008, 20:44:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')t what point would you decide to "pull the plug" on medical care for folks, joel? Should we wait until we're bankrupt from paying for increasingly expensive insurance, medications, and care, or should we make an arbitrary decision of when to say "Ok, time to die" or "Ok, time to curl into a fetal position from pain and spend the rest of your life nonfunctional."

Sometimes people do not just conveniently die when you want them to. What would you do with a family member who can not care for themselves or function without medical care?

I would like this discussion to be less academic, and more personal, myself. How would you, joel, decide what to do with ill people who can't care for themselves? What would you do?

I'm pretty sure I know what I'd do if I could direct national policy. But then I'm a semi-Nazi, and so I see things from a "society as a biological organism" perspective. I am aware that other people can't see any clear-cut way to chop policy between the sentimental desire to help everyone who needs help and the economic impossibility of doing any such thing, at least in the long term. But I have no such difficulty.

People die. No exceptions. The only question is when and whether the "dying process" will be swift and merciful or characterized by a slow and painful spread of dysfunction and corruption. But the more important fact is the former one: people die, no exceptions.

Individuals are not the players in nature's game. Our minds evolved as a means of raising the odds that our genes will survive. It's those genes, the instructions by which our bodies and their potentialities are made, which are the real players. We, our conscious selves, are their servants, and not they ours, simply because they are the entities having the prospect of eternal life, whereas individuals die in the blink of an eye, relatively speaking.

The course of the future is infinitely more important than the conditions of life today.

Or, to put it another way, remember the scenario of the overcrowded lifeboat. People in the water may be drowning, but any attempt to save one more, or perhaps even to keep as many as are aboard presently, may sink the lifeboat and leave no one alive at all. And since, in our situation, the lifeboat is the entire planet, the question is whether there will be any humans left for the future, or not.

So, yes... an idea from Logan's Run. When quantity must go, save quality. When circumstances get tight, toss the useless and the worse-than-useless into the old Carousel. Or the thermal depolymerizer, the lime pit, or whatever.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 30 May 2008, 20:52:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'I')'m pretty sure I know what I'd do if I could direct national policy.

Yeah, but that's not really personal, you know? It's more academic.

What are your thoughts regarding this issue personally, that is, as it affects you and your loved ones?

How will you handle illness and aging in yourself and your loved ones?
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby Jenab6 » Fri 30 May 2008, 22:47:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'I')'m pretty sure I know what I'd do if I could direct national policy.

Yeah, but that's not really personal, you know? It's more academic.
What are your thoughts regarding this issue personally, that is, as it affects you and your loved ones?
How will you handle illness and aging in yourself and your loved ones?

It has puzzled me that many people assume that one cannot recognize, or is not allowed to recognize, a truth or a necessary course of action that is in conflict with one's own interests or wishes. This is certainly possible.

For myself, and for my kinfolk, as well as for anyone else, this should be the law during the harshest of times, when the world has become like an overcrowded lifeboat:

Whenever the cost of anyone's claims upon others exceed the value of his contributions, as judged by impartial assessors, and no one can be found who shall offer to make good on the difference as charity, his claims should be denied and his upkeep should be withdrawn. The overpaid executive, the corrupt official, and the shiftless bum are alike in that they will usually be classed together as persons whose take exceeds their worth.

He may be offered painless euthanasia as a merciful alternative to starvation. Any effort on the part of such a person to sustain his life by criminal means should be punished by death upon discovery of the first offense. However, if he can live isolate from society, engaging in no crime, then no one will kill him. He is welcome to his life, if he can keep it by his own efforts or by the charity of others who may actively seek to aid him. On the other hand, he is not welcome to put any other person into involuntary service to himself, nor to impose annoyance on others by a persistence in begging.

When times are not so harsh as assumed in the foregoing, this should be the law:

Whenever the cost of anyone's claims upon others exceed the value of his contributions, as judged by impartial assessors, and no one can be found who shall offer to make good on the difference as charity, his claims should be denied, except that his minimal upkeep should be continued on the condition that he submit to irreversible sterilization. The overpaid executive, the corrupt official, and the shiftless bum are alike in that they will usually be classed together as persons whose take exceeds their worth.

Any effort on the part of such a person to sustain his life by criminal means should be punished by death upon discovery of the first offense. However, if he can live isolate from society, engaging in no crime, then no one will kill him, nor seek to render him sterile against his will. He is welcome to his life and to his fertility, if he can bear their responsibilities by his own efforts or by the charity of others who may actively seek to aid him. On the other hand, he is not welcome to put any other person into involuntary service to himself, nor to impose annoyance on others by a persistence in begging.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 30 May 2008, 22:57:22

How does your family or other loved ones feel about that policy, Jerry? Have they all agreed to it?

It still seems like you're talking about people distant from yourself, such as executives,officials, or bums. I'm hoping you will talk about your own family, friends, or other community to which you belong.

Does your family agree to your "law"? How do they feel about it, as far as you can tell? Are they ok with the sterilization, euthanasia or starvation/exile?

Is this real to you, or is this just some kind of fantasy world in your own mind? Have you actually discussed this with family, friends, or community to which you belong? Or is this all just taking place in your own mind?

How will you react if people do not bow to your "law" imposed by you?
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first

Unread postby misterno » Sat 31 May 2008, 00:12:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'C')heck this out!
    Sumerians Kings-List
    Annunaki King City of Rule Length of Rule (Sars) Years
    A-lu-lim NUN 8 28,800
    A-la(l)-gar NUN 10 36,000
    En-me-en-lu-an-na Bad-tabira 12 43,200
    En-me-en-gal-an-na Bad-tabira 8 28,800
    Dumuzi Bad-tabira 10 36,000
    En-Sib-zi-an-na Larak 8 28,800
    En-me-en-dur-an-na Sippar 5 (5 ner) 21,000
    (?) du-du Suruppak 5 (1 ner) 18,600

Let me give you a clue on why Sumeran Kings lived that long and so as some Egyptian Kings.

"Space Travel"

How else would they know and document about the planet Uranus.
Why Uranus who knows...

And no I am no whacko. Do your own research, you will find out.
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