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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 26 May 2008, 00:30:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '
')I think we have a ways to go before that point but I still wrestle with the ethical question. By what right should I and my loved ones live if that survival can only be purchased with the death of others?


This is the thread for you. Hope you have some free time on your hands.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic34134.html+ethics
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 26 May 2008, 03:18:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '(')...)
At what point along your Hobbsian scale do you plan to exit?


What is the Hobbsian scale? o_0
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 26 May 2008, 03:19:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'F')or anyone who has read "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy, you will recall the scene after the world ended in which the wife of the hero simply decided she didn't want to live in a ruined world, explained this to her husband and committed suicide.

It was described in such stark terms it was just as chilling as the rest of the book.

The fact that the hero understood his wife's reasons and didn't find her decision surprising was even more chilling.

(It happened early in the book. Don't worry, no spoiler.)


I just visited the Wikipedia entry on it to see that they are going to release a movie of it with Viggo Mortensen this fall. Should be quite an event.


That ought to be just about perfect timing.

I hope it captures half of the gloom of the book. You could cut that gloom with a knife.

That was some viscous gooey gloom, like something you might put on a peanut butter and gloom sandwich.


neat. Anime is great, but it's nice to see some good movies that are not anime (like Matrix, La Vita 'e Bella and LOTR) :-D
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 26 May 2008, 03:26:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '"')Is there no one you care enough for to try and help? "

If you believe in die-off then in order for you to survive others must die. Even if you're not killing them directly with a gun or a rock you can only secure the resources necessary to keep you alive by denying them to others and ensuring their death.

I think we have a ways to go before that point but I still wrestle with the ethical question. By what right should I and my loved ones live if that survival can only be purchased with the death of others?


If you don't kill them directly, and are fine if some of your loved ones or you can die... then don't feel guilty if you survive, there's nothing productive in feeling guilty about a consequence of environmental degradation of humans. And if it makes you feel better, survive remembering those that died, and pass the best of their memories, ideals and so on to the next generation (if humanity survives this die-off).
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby Ivan_M » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:34:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', ' ') By what right should I and my loved ones live if that survival can only be purchased with the death of others?


by virtue of being you and your loved ones.
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby Pops » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:43:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '(')...)
At what point along your Hobbsian scale do you plan to exit?


What is the Hobbsian scale? o_0

Heck if I know, I was hoping the OP would explain it to me.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby JPL » Thu 29 May 2008, 20:08:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '
')I'm sure that there are plenty of people who have no inclination to outlast the current civilization and when TSHTF plan to gracefully bow out and leave y'all to your Hobbsian struggle for survival.

Personally I'm grateful to have lived through the pinnacle of our civilization.


There are a minority of us out here that don't enjoy living in a world of false pleasures, TV porn, environmental destruction and fast food and are now looking forward to a world that actually HAS a future aside from the current version.

Just thought I'd point that out.

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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby joelcolorado » Thu 29 May 2008, 20:10:32

My grandfather said that on average, people ate once every 3 days during the depression and he knew of ppl who starved in Kansas.
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Re: Anti-survivalists

Unread postby BigTex » Fri 30 May 2008, 12:41:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '(')...)
At what point along your Hobbsian scale do you plan to exit?


What is the Hobbsian scale? o_0

Heck if I know, I was hoping the OP would explain it to me.


The Hobbsian Scale refers to the point of social unrest at which Hobbes becomes a real tiger and eats Calvin.

The higher the number on the scale indicates a greater probability of Hobbes entering reality in a feral state.
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