[joelcolorado]

If price alone is allowed to dictate use, we will fall into a depression for sure as the haves will take over the use of fuel and the working man wont be able to get to work and the domino affect will take hold.
We are not there YET>
But I see it in the future if fuel is decreasing commodity.
We cannot continue with unlimited growth and use of a limited resource. you talk bout killing economic growth. HAVE NONE and see how much we grow then.

The growth phase is over ppl. We will only decline in standard of living for at least the foreseeable future. Until someone comes up with a good alternative which may be on the near horizon too.
Nececity is a mother...er...is THE mother of invention

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'G')asoline rationing worked in WWII so its possible. You get a coupon book for gas or a card that will swipe like a credit card loaded with so much gas. Or on your car, a bar code etc.

Its not that hard with technology today. People that don't think this will work just don't WANT it to work. We want to use all we want and the hell with everyone else.

[joelcolorado]

Not talking bout TOMORROW, but there has to be an end to the consumption at current levels or we will have the long lines at the pump and just be OUT of gas some days. The world is lining up for the gas we used to get all of and we are going to pay so much you wont have to worry bout tourism.

Eating out is down 45% already. My friend in Branson said ppl are NOT coming. Vegas shows 60% decrease. Advertising for casinos and amusement parks is flooding the television like never before.

I think people are just about out of money and charging gas.
One day, it will crash because we cannot afford that kind of price and still maintain all we have known. there is only so much money to go around and with declining job market and pay scales, that money is going to gas.

Right now gas is about 15% of our paycheck nationwide.
But it will grow to 40% and the experts thot that wasnt too bad.....hahhahahh...
I have noticed the groceries skyrocketing also.
Meat is so high yet cattle are not that high.
Same with everything else. transportation is a big part of that.

I work for the railroad so if you want to discuss that, I do know that for sure. cant bullshit me on those facts.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 't')he working man wont be able to get to work and the domino affect will take hold.

[HEADER_RACK]

You think things are expensive now.Just wait.

Six months ago the trucking company I use sent me a new price list on trucking. To Haul a load 250 miles it would cost $1300. Two days ago they sent me a new price list. That same 250 mile run now cost me $1750. Does my company care? Nope. Just pass those cost onto the customer.

[joelcolorado]

I do notice that all the rich and famous and movie stars fly jets all over, drive limosines and live in 4 and 5 homes all the while telling us to conserve and live cheap.

Funny as hell. Like the kennedy who had 3 homes and jet and SUV's and when asked said Yes but I NEED them and you people DONT.

[joelcolorado]

Okay then, nationalize the oil companies like Venzuala. Today, gas was 14 CENTS a gallon there. hah

[canis_lupus]

If I've earned enough to spend $20 per gallon of gas, who is anybody to tell me how to spend my money?

We're on the downside. It's over. The distance between a fast crash and a slow crash is only a few years. Rationing gas is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Why not develop a program that takes the road usage tax in fuel and saves it into a personal transportation account for the user? The account could only be used for public transportation. If you accumulate $300 in PT credits, you use your swipe card wherever you want to: Metra, PACE, etc.

Further, since it is YOUR money, you can sell your PT credits for cash to those that need them. For example I have a friend who takes the train and a bus to get to work in the morning when he doesn't drive. I could sell him my credits and he wouldn't have to drive. Cash in my pocket. Cars off the road. Gas saved. Peak Oil averted.

Instead of rationing and restricting, why not encourage and lead?

[k_semler]

There Will Be Bud.

[video width=425 height=355]http://www.youtube.com/v/y9ClsOQdlUE[/video]

"My bong reaches across the room. I'd clear your bong! I'd clear it out!"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy should some ppl use more than their fair share of the earths resources. IF you have a good reason I am open to it.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'G')asoline rationing worked in WWII so its possible.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yesplease', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'G')asoline rationing worked in WWII so its possible.

[joelcolorado]

That is the problem. A lot of America is so strung out like in the plains states that ppl cannot have public transportation. Thoseppl will suffer the most as they will be forced out of drving due to price.

If I had that available, I would use it. I droveinto dallas and every car I met had one person in it and was a SUV type mostly. And I am sure I saw over 100,000 cars that day. So you can see the problem. The suburbs are so far out from the jobs. People commute so far.

I commute 100 miles ONE WAY so I understand the deal. This is due to wifes job location and mine being different. I goabout 3 times a week so not every day thank god. But bad enough.

Put that in your budget and daily schedule and see how that feels.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('canis_lupus', 'I')f I've earned enough to spend $20 per gallon of gas, who is anybody to tell me how to spend my money?

We're on the downside. It's over. The distance between a fast crash and a slow crash is only a few years. Rationing gas is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Why not develop a program that takes the road usage tax in fuel and saves it into a personal transportation account for the user? The account could only be used for public transportation. If you accumulate $300 in PT credits, you use your swipe card wherever you want to: Metra, PACE, etc.

Further, since it is YOUR money, you can sell your PT credits for cash to those that need them. For example I have a friend who takes the train and a bus to get to work in the morning when he doesn't drive. I could sell him my credits and he wouldn't have to drive. Cash in my pocket. Cars off the road. Gas saved. Peak Oil averted.

Instead of rationing and restricting, why not encourage and lead?

[vision-master]

Yeah, ration the stuff.

I hope it gets to that.

I'd love to see all those rich peeps suffer like the rest of us.

[joelcolorado]

I dont think rationing will cause the working man a problem honestly. If you cut out the millions of miles driven by schools and fans to sporting events, multiple vacations, trips out of town to shop and generally stupid stuff, we would have enough fuel.

People live way above where they need to live.

I have friends who spend $500 a week going to sporting events just for their kids in high school. So there is alot of waste out there. Used to be, schools that played were close together but now we see evn high schools playing others hundreds of miles apart. But do they cut back. NO>>>>they just raise the mil levy. Cant give up sports......what the heck.

But if every person had an allotment then you could buy and sell those credits if you were a saver. Even with my commute, I can get by on what I think I would be allotted. Have to give up some things sure. But life goes on. Still the best place to live in the whole world.

I wont the lottery the day I was born here.

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'N')ot talking bout TOMORROW, but there has to be an end to the consumption at current levels or we will have the long lines at the pump and just be OUT of gas some days. The world is lining up for the gas we used to get all of and we are going to pay so much you wont have to worry bout tourism.

[lper100km]

Economic theories, practises and attitudes have developed in a free market during sustained growth periods in just about any commodity you care to mention. It has given the impression that everything has a market balanced price and that it’s everyone’s right to acquire whatever they need at that price to the point that is now an ingrained social attitude.

When supply sustainability starts to slip, the whole game changes. At the margins, it’s maybe tolerable for a while, but when the supply continually contracts ie the source availability does not respond to price adjustments, then that’s a whole different game and one that has never, ever been faced on a global scale. Oil has become the commodity of commodities, at least for industrialized economies, and thus has unprecedented influence.

IMO, trying to maintain a ‘free’ market in this scenario will merely accelerate the global economic freefall. At some point, the ‘rights’ of individuals to access oil simply because they have money will become an outrageous concept. Long before then, I expect, even hope that governments will use methods other than taxation to attempt to distribute usage fairly. These would include imposing restrictions on the use of oil, probably including nationalization, rationing, travel restrictions and prioritized usage. We may even see cooperative efforts between national governments to maintain some semblance of price stability, though that’s a stretch that is hard to imagine given the current myopic view of national interests. I don’t see the USA as being a leader in this type of market rationalisation, but it will have to move in that direction ultimately and well before anarchy displaces democracy.

This has nothing to do with socialism, communism, or any kind of ism, but simply an obvious rational response to a survival threat.

[kevincarter]

[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', 'I')MO, trying to maintain a ‘free’ market in this scenario will merely accelerate the global economic freefall.

[joelcolorado]

Well from the looks of it someone NEEDS to limit the food supply to individuals. GOOD GOD>

Online with guy from france and he said portions over there are half what they are here in the restaurants. NO WONDER we are so fat.

A serving is ONE CUP. Not the BUFETT line.
jk