by Ayoob » Thu 29 May 2008, 15:14:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big_rc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'A')merican blacks fared better under segregation. They owned local businesses and didn't have to compete with white businesses. They were more successful and had a sense of community that's gone today.
Sorry Ayoob but that's not the case. Feel free to go talk to some older blacks about there experiences under segregation. I remember hearing my family talk about growing up in Jim Crow South. The stories they tell were absolutely terrifying and disheartening.
Sorry that you haven't met too many successful blacks but I can vouch they are out there in great numbers. Too bad most people fall back on the images of blacks portrayed on TV without actually getting out there and talking to people. I suggest going to a local black church or just talking to some black people that you know. It's not as difficult as it might seem.
Also to your point about seperating out the races. Sorry my man but black people and white people are stuck with each other. We are going to have to learn to live together or die seperately.
In one of history’s ironies, the injustices of Jim Crow exclusion created a climate that encouraged a flowering of black entrepreneurship and businesses. Shut out of white stores and theaters and ignored by white bankers, African-Americans showed a remarkable ability to marshal the limited capital available to them and establish a parallel economy. The overturning of legalized segregation in the 1950s and 1960s brought with it some unintended consequences. Hard pressed to compete with better-financed white stores and service providers, many black enterprises closed their doors. Of the six black banks in Richmond in 1925, only one exists today: St. Luke Penny Savings Bank, known now as Consolidated Bank & Trust. The black business districts that these banks once anchored and supported often fell victim to urban decay.
Although the end of Jim Crow has resulted in incalculable benefits, it also spelled the end of a business community that, along with churches and benevolent societies, helped bring African-Americans through a bleak period.
http://www.virginiabusiness.com/edit/ma ... back.shtml
I probably know more black people than you do, bud. I've worked in black neighborhoods, in daily and very intimate contact with black people for very long shifts. You'd be amazed. There's plenty of nice black people, and I've spent time in the most successful black neighborhood in North America. Ladera Heights. It's pretty nice! I'm not exactly welcome there, but my presence is tolerated while I work.
I'm not one of those people that feels the way I do out of ignorance. It's out of experience.
We may be stuck with each other... but you know the truth. White people without black people is Europe, black people without white people is Africa.
Anyway, I think it's pretty much time for me to step out of this whole debate. I'm going to dump this account pretty soon and all the other message board accounts I have. I've said a lot of shitty things over the years under this name and don't really want to be connected to it anymore.
Black people haven't done very well competing with white people in the US. Colleges and businesses have mandatory minimums in recruiting black candidates, who don't seem to do very well in school, and then don't do as well in the business world. There's a controversy about lawyers and hiring a certain amount of black lawyers, who then don't perform as well as their cohort.
The asians do very well in competition with whites, though. There are no minimums for asians in hiring and in school acceptance, and asians seem to do fine.
As competition gets more fierce, what do you think is going to happen to black people?
It's just like seahorse's bear story. Two hikers are out in the woods and spot a bear. One hiker drops his pack and swaps out his boots for running shoes. The other hiker says, "What are you doing? You're not going to outrun the bear." The running-shoe hiker replies, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."
So. Time will tell.