$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joelcolorado', 'I') would never want to make that decision its just an observation. As health care has gotten better, we are doing heart bypasses on 95 year old persons which cost $500,000. And they have collected social security or pensions for 30 years or more.
Its just a strain on society that has happened. I understand your point and want ppl to live as long as they are productive and happy too.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by Ludi » Wed 28 May 2008, 14:14:39
But what would you do under the circumstances? Or isn't this an issue you feel you will ever need to face? Do you have no aging or ill relatives? No aging or ill friends?
I worry about it a lot, because this isn't just "ppl" I'm talking about, it is my closest family members.
What to do? I try to imagine caring for them, and I don't think I will be able to do it, as I will be likely quite ill myself. But I must think about it, and try to prepare. How will I care for someone who can't get out of bed, bathe, eat, or care for themselves in any way?
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by joelcolorado » Wed 28 May 2008, 14:34:22
I have no idea. Its a definite problem everywhere. Years ago, ppl used to have elderly at home as there were not nursing homes. That is a real burden for sure.
I dont know. Scary. My friend who lived to 87 said he had a plan. He would end his own life if he ever got that bad. NOT AN ANSWER, just HIS answer.
Wow, that takes nerve and determination.
Some ppl are like that tho.
My father inlaw wanted to die and so did. Just gave up and died in two hours.
Dont know
I dont know. Scary. My friend who lived to 87 said he had a plan. He would end his own life if he ever got that bad. NOT AN ANSWER, just HIS answer.
Wow, that takes nerve and determination.
Some ppl are like that tho.
My father inlaw wanted to die and so did. Just gave up and died in two hours.
Dont know
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by vision-master » Wed 28 May 2008, 14:42:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e will go back to where we were 30 years ago where the lifespan was like 66 years. People live a long time now due to medicine and healthcare.
Just visted Grampa's grave site memorial day.
Born 1896
Died 1980
Raised 13 kids during the great depression too with no work.
My other Grampa worked in the iron ore mines, smoked 7 packs of camel straights every day and lived to 78.
You're full of BS.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by btu2012 » Wed 28 May 2008, 14:53:53
It would be really sad if our societies turned savage against the old and sick. It's really a moral issue, whether we want to be humans or rabid wolves to each other.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by mystiek » Wed 28 May 2008, 14:54:50
Wow, sounds like some good health genes-pray you inherited some of them!
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by RonMN » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:06:57
As TPTB try to save social security & medicare by taxing the working age to death (imagine FICA at 35%), I wouldn't be at all surprized to see an age war begin (young against old).
Funny thing is that the old are probably much better armed.
Funny thing is that the old are probably much better armed.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by vision-master » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:12:09
Check this out!
- Sumerians Kings-List
- Annunaki King City of Rule Length of Rule (Sars) Years
A-lu-lim NUN 8 28,800
A-la(l)-gar NUN 10 36,000
En-me-en-lu-an-na Bad-tabira 12 43,200
En-me-en-gal-an-na Bad-tabira 8 28,800
Dumuzi Bad-tabira 10 36,000
En-Sib-zi-an-na Larak 8 28,800
En-me-en-dur-an-na Sippar 5 (5 ner) 21,000
(?) du-du Suruppak 5 (1 ner) 18,600
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by btu2012 » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:26:22
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'A')s TPTB try to save social security & medicare by taxing the working age to death (imagine FICA at 35%), I wouldn't be at all surprized to see an age war begin (young against old).
Funny thing is that the old are probably much better armed.
Funny thing is that the old are probably much better armed.
Yeah, that's the one war we don't have yet. We have wars over values, culture wars, gender wars, race wars, religious wars, class wars, ideological wars... The list just wouldn't be complete without an age war, would it ?
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by RonMN » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:34:22
Understand, I'm not advocating it...it just seems quite plausable to me.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by btu2012 » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:38:37
Yeah well it would be fitting of our societies, wouldn't it.
I mean we are such experts at hanging each other dry.
I mean we are such experts at hanging each other dry.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by RonMN » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:43:28
Yes we are. But after all is said & done...I guess I would rather be the hanger than the hanged.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by btu2012 » Wed 28 May 2008, 15:48:51
Indeed.
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Re: The OLD and POOR will die first
by Ferretlover » Wed 28 May 2008, 17:06:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow would you, joel, decide what to do with ill people who can't care for themselves?What would you do?
Doesn't it depend on the ill person and the state of the medical world?
I mean, if the ill person is able to, they should be the one to decide what they would like to have done/accomplished/dealt with.
If they are so bad off that they are no longer aware of the world around them, I say make them comfortable and let them go.
There are an awful lot of variables in decisions such as these. Right now, the medical world is still available for most. It is conceivable(sp?) that the medications that are now available for most will not be there in the years to come.
Those who have no choice but to depend on others will have problems:
"U.S. woman dies in iron lung after power failure
Family says polio victim spent 50 years in the 750-pound machine
Dianne Odell, 61, had been confined to the 7-foot-long machine since she was stricken by polio at 3 years old. …
Thirty-five polio survivors in the U.S. still use iron lungs, according to the Post-Polio Health International Agency. …"
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