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The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby roccman » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:14:41

So this is what the peak looks like.

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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby KillTheHumans » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:29:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')o this is what the peak looks like.

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Call me crazy but......aaahhhhhh....peak looks like.....a square....with a red X in the middle?

This isn't one of those "I'm showing you something silly and calling it something else just to see how gullible everyone is" stunts of yours is it?
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:52:15

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Looks like smooth sailing here on out!
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:02:17

Good find RM.

Can anybody insert one of those moving GIFs of the black silhouette of a guy jumping off a building, bouncing just slightly, and repeat?
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby patience » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:13:01

I read somewhere here that vehicle miles are down maybe 4%? I guess the sheeple are getting the message at the pump.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:15:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') read somewhere here that vehicle miles are down maybe 4%? I guess the sheeple are getting the message at the pump.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby NorseNomad » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:25:22

I wonder how they calculate those numbers. I guess they are estimates based on gas consumption and ... something else?

Would be interesting to know.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:32:39

Law of large numbers really works well on this one, simply because there are so many vehicles, and so much fuel; and we know what kind of vehicles are driven where, and how much gasoline is used there. And you can spot check the numbers with existing traffic survey methods.

No reason to doubt their accuracy.

As much as I'd wish too.

*F*.

Three years of flatness.

Just.... *F*.

Wasn't really expecting that sort of effect for quite a while; disturbing to see it already having an effect on the macro scale.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby NorseNomad » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:38:17

For the record, I didn't doubt the accuracy, just wanted information.

And I quite like the curve. Would be horrible if it just kept going and going and going and going... A cooldown may be just what the doctor ordered.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:46:11

Damn.

Americans drive 11 billion fewer miles in March

Love these figures:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- With gasoline and diesel prices soaring to record levels, American drivers are cutting back sharply on the miles they travel, the Department of Transportation reported Friday.
Total vehicle miles driven fell in March by 4.3%, or 11 billion miles, to 246.3 billion miles, compared with the year earlier. It was the largest year-over-year decline in miles driven since the government began keeping records in 1942.
Americans drive more than 3 trillion miles each year. So far this year, cumulative miles driven are down by 2.3%.


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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:19:31

I see this as great news!

Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.

America is getting the message and responding to incentives. 8)

In 5 years that number will be down even more and we might be beginning to re-enter the world of sane commutes.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby Jack » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:38:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.


So much depends on the shape of the curve. If it's smooth and gradual, then the economy may adapt.

I cannot help wondering about the many communities that are deeply dependent on the tourist trade. A sharp decline on the curve could cause a large decline in employment, large shortfalls in community tax revenue, and widespread business failures.

Now whether an out-of-work waiter could be part of an effective zombie horde is quite another question.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:39:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') see this as great news!

Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.


No just rising unemployment, business failures and reduced economic activity in toursim, hotels, restaurants, and all the other places people spend money when they are on the road driving.

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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:58:09

Tourists are still plentiful here. The other day I was at a parade with my dog and all these Chinese tourists wanted to take their picture with her. And, the newspapers have been running stories about how more people are staying on the metro to go to restaurants, shopping, etc., helping business along the lines. I know the lower margin restaurants like pizza are hurting because they haven't raised prices fast enough to keep up with climbing flour and other ingrediant prices.
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CNN: Driving down 4.3% from last year

Unread postby Geko45 » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:04:55

Looks like high prices are finally having a significant effect.

CNN: As gas goes up, driving goes down

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Department of Transportation said figures from March show the steepest decrease in driving ever recorded. Compared with March a year earlier, Americans drove an estimated 4.3 percent less -- that's 11 billion fewer miles, the DOT's Federal Highway Administration said Monday, calling it "the sharpest yearly drop for any month in FHWA history." Records have been kept since 1942.
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Re: CNN: Driving down 4.3% from last year

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:12:44

High oil prices will slow down driving while the prices are high. When demand lowers, the price should lower, resulting in more driving. It's like a dog chasing its tail.
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Re: CNN: Driving down 4.3% from last year

Unread postby copious.abundance » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:16:10

This has to be at least the 3rd thread on this very same thing.
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Re: CNN: Driving down 4.3% from last year

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:28:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'T')his has to be at least the 3rd thread on this very same thing.


That's fine with me. This is the kind of news I've been waiting forever to hear.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:48:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') know the lower margin restaurants like pizza are hurting because they haven't raised prices fast enough to keep up with climbing flour and other ingrediant prices.


I thought you were going to mention pizza because of delivery costs.
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Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles

Unread postby KillTheHumans » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:50:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
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Wasn't really expecting that sort of effect for quite a while; disturbing to see it already having an effect on the macro scale.


Disturbing? Its just the most recent sign of economics working the way they are SUPPOSED to....why would someone be disturbed by something which is perfectly acceptable?

Double the price of something, people are going to use less. I say double it again...give the alternatives LOTS of room to manuveur underneath. Tax it to that rate, and then stand back and let economic theory continue to work to your advantage.
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