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by **Dezakin** » Fri 25 Feb 2005, 13:59:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hairman Mao decided that sparrows were vermin and everybody was to get them: open season on sparrows, in months, millions were killed and the sparrows in China brought to the verge of extinction.

The pests that would have been eaten by the sparrows multiplied, ate the crops...and a famine killed millions of people.

by **Tyler_JC** » Fri 25 Feb 2005, 15:01:55

I don't care about the birds. But I do care about maintaining civilization and without cheap energy, this civilization is going down.

by **threadbear** » Fri 25 Feb 2005, 16:39:45

Dezakin, Your understanding of the peak oil issue, and support for ideas of a comp. expert seems to flow from a limited understanding of the eco-sphere. Relying on a computer whiz to assess a subject that requires broad general knowledge and depth of understanding, is a huge mistake.

by **Dezakin** » Fri 25 Feb 2005, 23:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ezakin, Your understanding of the peak oil issue, and support for ideas of a comp. expert seems to flow from a limited understanding of the eco-sphere. Relying on a computer whiz to assess a subject that requires broad general knowledge and depth of understanding, is a huge mistake.

by **JohnDenver** » Sat 26 Feb 2005, 00:14:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'A')s to ecology, I would love to hear arguments that arent anecdotes illustrating why humanity is dependant on biodiversity rather than crops and energy.

by **threadbear** » Sat 26 Feb 2005, 00:30:30

John Denver, Bingo!

Dezekin--BTW, what's wrong with anecdotal evidence, anyway? We live by a flimsy sets of assumptions that are damned near impossible to prove or disprove, but there's plenty of "anecdotal" evidence that those assumption support a status quo that is pro coroporate, pro govt, and ultimately anti human.

by **Dezakin** » Mon 28 Feb 2005, 06:07:25

pstar:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his IS Trekkie talk . Monsanto couldnâ€™t even engineer a tomato that tasted good and you are going to engineer self pollinating blueberries, cherries, pumpkins, cashew nuts, etc. crops all showing reduced productivity due to pollinator decline.

by **Liamj** » Mon 28 Feb 2005, 23:21:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'p')star:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his IS Trekkie talk . Monsanto couldnâ€™t even engineer a tomato that tasted good and you are going to engineer self pollinating blueberries, cherries, pumpkins, cashew nuts, etc. crops all showing reduced productivity due to pollinator decline.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 28 Feb 2005, 23:34:52

This is really bad news.

by **maverickdoc** » Mon 28 Feb 2005, 23:52:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')his is really bad news.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 00:01:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')his is really bad news.

by **threadbear** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 00:01:30

Self pollination is something that nerd agronomists, who can't get a date, would come up with. All that talk of anthers, stamens and pistils can get a guy pretty worked up.

But that's beside the point. The links about food shortages ARE very scary.

by **maverickdoc** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 00:03:17

it's expected donâ€™t you think? the way we have been abusing the planet. I am surprised it is not lower. just look at the china post

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 00:48:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'i')t's expected donâ€™t you think? the way we have been abusing the planet. I am surprised it is not lower. just look at the china post

by **maverickdoc** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 01:39:21

Itâ€™s just that the way we have been abusing the planet. The only reason we get the kind of crop yield we do is because of genetically modified food and petro-fertilizers. The day we run out of petro-fertilizers well there goes our food.

A agree with you it is sad but expected

by **Dezakin** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 02:19:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')tâ€™s just that the way we have been abusing the planet. The only reason we get the kind of crop yield we do is because of genetically modified food and petro-fertilizers. The day we run out of petro-fertilizers well there goes our food.

by **Antimatter** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 09:17:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat do you mean by petro-fertilizers? You think we can't synthesize them?

The falling crop yield debate has been addressed allready here:

http://www.stichting-han.nl/Commentaren ... ersion.doc

Crop yields have gone up, but the whole story is more suscinctly addressed.

This paper has citations to the FAO datasets.

by **maverickdoc** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 20:25:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'I')'m sorry, what exactly is false about John's assertions?

Oil is a concern only because of transportation. Its been readily demonstrated many times that theres enough recoverable nuclear fuel in the crust to last thousands of millinea.

by **MonteQuest** » Tue 01 Mar 2005, 21:36:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'm')averickdoc:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you realize how silly that comment is?

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