[PenultimateManStanding]

It's ironic eb that Che is a merchandise bonanza. Kids wear his face as a fashion statement.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')t's greed vs altruism.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t's ironic eb that Che is a merchandise bonanza. Kids wear his face as a fashion statement.

[eastbay]

Yeah, PMS... he's always been a symbol of hope for many. Among other things, he represented hope that class divisions, wherever they appear, may someday be eliminated.

His image adorns a wall in my garage.

[Bman4k1]

This is a more serious and accurate test of your political leaning.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I would open a new post but I'm not in the mood.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I') thought that you were discussing Marxist ideology and communism. Perhaps you were not ?

My point is that most people in the West who support this ideology are hypocrites.

[btu2012]

Will these modern socialists at least admit that communism was the most murderous ideology of the 20th century ?

If so, what do they plan to do in order to avoid more of that murder ? And how do they explain that communism lead to such massive murder everywhere where it was tried ?

Don't you think that Marxists ought to at least come clean about that ? Or maybe Marxists have only a class conscience, rather than a moral conscience ?





The Ten Commandments

I am the Lord your God

You shall have no other gods before me

You shall not make for yourself an idol

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God

Honor your father and mother

You shall not murder

You shall not commit adultery

You shall not steal

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

You shall not covet your neighbor's house

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife

[eastbay]

Oh c'mon btu, stop the silliness. Anyone can waste their time and show nasty propaganda photo's. Shhheeeesh.


Ok, let me say that whomever is running things for the next few decades will be credited with a carnage the likes of which the world has never seen before.


I strongly suspect it'll be capitalist structured governments at the helm managing the downscaling of humanity as oil starts to deplete. And they'll be the ones who will just might get the terrible credit.

Which will open the door for alternative methods of organizing humanity.

[btu2012]

Or for alternative methods of slaying.

Sorry eastbay, I am pessimistic about people's sense of ethics, be they capitalist or communist. I think that they will just kill and rob each other in order to survive--whatever ideology they'll use to justify that.

The point is that Marxism (the evil some don't know) is presented as a hopeful alternative to Capitalism (the evil we all
know), so in that sense it's dangerous. You are right that people will cry for communism once the dieoff gets worse, but I believe based on experience that this will only lead to more carnage -- in the name of a different ideology.

By the time the third world is in chaos and economies have collapsed, do you really think that communist ideas could be implemented without massive violence ? People will lust for blood and scapegoats and all that.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')
Sorry eastbay, I am pessimistic about people's sense of ethics, be they capitalist or communist. I think that they will just kill and rob each other in order to survive--whatever ideology they'll use to justify that.

The point is that Marxism (the evil some don't know) is presented as a hopeful alternative to Capitalism (the evil we all
know), so in that sense it's dangerous. You are right that people will cry for communism once the dieoff gets worse, but I believe based on experience that this will only lead to more carnage -- in the name of a different ideology.

Boy, thinking about PO makes me a cynic. I think that I am becoming a doomer

There aren't many reasons for hope, are there ?

[BigTex]

I love eastbay.

[bodigami]

btu2012, Christianism is NOT a universal ethical system. Christianism has the same inherent value as Marxism, which is none.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'I') love eastbay.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'b')tu2012, Christianism is NOT a universal ethical system. Christianism has the same inherent value as Marxism, which is none.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '
')Could you point out to an ethical system which encourages murder and envy ?

[btu2012]

JPL, wouldn't it be so nice if we could all have arguments in favor of our statements ? Just a thought.

[eastbay]

You two are hilarious!

[bodigami]

btu2012, Abrahmic religions have a history of murdering EACH OTHER! did you become another abraham-bot? damn, this type of bots are the most hateful people I've known... I thought you knew better!

eastbay, which 2?

[btu2012]

I am not a convert, don't worry.

But I think it's instructive to explore the ethics of these religions.

Btu

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'b')tu2012, Christianism is NOT a universal ethical system. Christianism has the same inherent value as Marxism, which is none.