[Schadenfreude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RedStateGreen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schadenfreude', '
')Generally, I would favor environmentalism as a political and spiritual concern broadly taught and practiced at every level. I don't know why this has to be considered a "Lefty" or "Birkenstock" value to be ridiculed. We are nothing without our environment!

It boggles my mind that environmentalism isn't preached in churches. I can't think of a more holy body of knowledge than that gained in comprehending the complex inter-dependencies of an eco-system, from microscopic on up.

I guess we won't know what we've had until it's no longer there.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'I')'ve got a mental post-it note which says no politics, no religion on po.com.

[btu2012]

Revolutions are over-rated JPL. So are ideologies, especially extreme ones like fascism and communism. Take a look at what happened to the countries where they were tried. That's hard empirical evidence.

Not that capitalism is much better. It's an ideology like any other, just a bit less extreme but pernicious in other ways.

There is no ideological solution to the problems we face.

Btu

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'R')evolutions are over-rated JPL. So are ideologies, especially extreme ones like fascism and communism. Take a look at what happened to the countries where they were tried. That's hard empirical evidence.

Not that capitalism is much better.

Btu

[btu2012]

I wonder if this time the revolution will leave anyone alive.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I') wonder if this time the revolution will leave anyone alive.

[btu2012]

Whatever man. Get your pound of flesh.

[eastbay]

Remember.... two options:

1) Cooperate fully (maybe live).
2) Resist ( )

We are already conducting research on everyone.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'R')evolutions are over-rated JPL. So are ideologies, especially extreme ones like fascism and communism. Take a look at what happened to the countries where they were tried. That's hard empirical evidence.

Not that capitalism is much better.

Btu

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I') wonder if this time the revolution will leave anyone alive.

[btu2012]

I don't have socialist ideals JPL -- that's just something that you imagined.

I subscribe to no "ism", I find all of them equally pathetic.

In particular the "Crisis of Capitalism" is a Marxist theory, and I don't believe in Marxism. So I don't know if any such crisis is going on now.

What I see is a resource and overpopulation crisis, and an environmental crisis. This doesn't seem to have ever been part of Marxist dogma as far as I know. In particular Marxists made a big deal of being against Malthus and all that.

The only people who predicted that were the (non-ideological !) systems theorists, well before the environmentalist movement was formed. Marxists seem to have been as blind about this as the most hard-core capitalists.

Btu

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'S')o if the next revolution leaves no Europeans (and their colonialist offspring) alive, then according to this criteria the outcome would be positive.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'I') don't have socialist ideals JPL -- that's just something that you imagined.

I subscribe to "ism", I find all of them equally pathetic.

In particular the "Crisis of Capitalism" is a Marxist theory, and I don't believe in Marxism. So I don't know if any such crisis is going on now.

What I see is a resource and overpopulation crisis, and an environmental crisis. This doesn't seem to have ever been part of Marxist dogma as far as I know. In particular Marxists made a big deal of being against Malthus and all that.

The only people who predicted that were the (non-ideological !) systems theorists, well before the environmentalist movement was formed. Marxists seem to have been as blind about this as the most hard-core capitalists.

Btu

[btu2012]

Not that I ever expected an ideologue to listen to reason.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'N')ot that I ever expected an ideologue to listen to reason.

[btu2012]

On the contrary, ideologues of all stripes have a monopoly on the political message as you know very well. How often do you hear a non-ideological perspective in the media, or see a non-ideological perspective on these boards ?

But we all know that Marxists are experts at playing the victim. It goes with the training.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', 'S')o if the next revolution leaves no Europeans (and their colonialist offspring) alive, then according to this criteria the outcome would be positive.

[btu2012]

Then kill all Whites, Caucasians or subscribers to Western Culture and get done with it.

We need a scapegoat, no ? That's the point.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('btu2012', 'O')n the contrary, ideologues of all stripes have a monopoly on the political message as you know very well. How often do you hear a non-ideological perspective in the media, or see a non-ideological perspective on these boards ?

But we all know that Marxists are experts at playing the victim. It goes with the training.

[btu2012]

No, you've just trained yourself into thinking that the problem is due to some specific group, rather than to all of us.

It's always convenient to blame someone, makes it easier to deal with guilt and fear.