by Heineken » Wed 14 May 2008, 22:55:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')o you have no problem with Vulture capital, working through real estate investment trusts, for example, buying up distressed American mortgage debt for pennies on the dollar?
Works for me.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou realize, through this and other processes, the U.S loses sovereignty? Do you have any idea where this process ultimately leads?
Sure.
When I see our rulers (no, not leaders - rulers) seal the borders, end free trade, balance the budget, and end foreign aid of every sort, I'll think about it.
Until then, I'll go with the flow.
And now, a question for you - what, precisely, is an American? (By American I refer to the U.S., and membership in the society).
Let us not resort to legalisms, for example "someone who is, according to existing law, a citizen of the U.S.". No - how can I look at someone, talk with them, and conclude they are (or are not) a U.S. citizen? I suspect you will find no clear demarcation.
But if I do not know - and cannot describe - the members of my country, do I have a country? Or do I merely share a marketplace with other greedy opportunists? If the later, why should I not seek to profit, even to the detriment of the shared marketplace?
Dead serious, Threadbear.

It occurs to me that, both as individuals and as people relating to one another, humans were never designed to fit into such gigantic categories. Once you get beyond small groups, it's all propaganda.
There is no "American." But, for better or worse (and I think it is worse, now), there is definitely a political entity called America.
by MrBill » Fri 16 May 2008, 11:13:44
Who says we can help everyone?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ive armed men burst into the small room and courtyard at dawn, just as 21-year-old, 22-week pregnant, Sunita was drying her face on a towel.
They punched and kicked her stomach as she called out for her sleeping boyfriend "Jassa", 22-year-old Jasbir Singh, witnesses said. When he woke, both were dragged into waiting cars, driven away and strangled.
Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the family's "honor" had been restored by her cold-blooded murder.
A week later, the village of Balla, just a couple of hours drive from India's capital New Delhi, stands united behind the act, proud, defiant almost to a man.
Source:
Indian village proud after double "honor killing"
Or even that we should try?
The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
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