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Re: "The Sirens Shrill"

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 13 May 2008, 18:08:17

Is this the same siren they dismissed for the 25 years since Hubbert rang it?
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Re: "The Sirens Shrill"

Unread postby outcast » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:54:00

For those of us who can't speak german, what is the article about?
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Re: "The Sirens Shrill"

Unread postby Homesteader » Tue 13 May 2008, 21:55:13

Here you are:

Sirens Shrill

"The Sirens Shrill"

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The International Energy Agency (IEA) gives the alarm: The world could run out of oil faster than expected - the danger of a supply shortage is rising

Hunger for energy vs. energy shortage: While the demand for oil is on the rise, the production is decreasing - shortages, escalating prices and inflation are looming. When talking to energy politician Astrid Schneider, Fatih Birol, chief economist of the IEA demands a change in policy from the member countries. His motto: leave oil before it leaves us.

Link: http://www.peakoil.com/article38082.html
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Re: "The Sirens Shrill"

Unread postby Doug50 » Tue 13 May 2008, 22:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('outcast', 'F')or those of us who can't speak german, what is the article about?


the English version is here: http://oildepletiondebate.blogspot.com/ ... ation.html
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Re: IEA OMR for April 2008

Unread postby TonyPrep » Wed 14 May 2008, 02:09:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'T')he differential of 1.4-mbd from EIA stats is getting a bit absurd. It is based on IEA's failure to address energy inputs for BTL, heavy, x-heavy & bitumen processing.
Do you know if IEA estimates for consumption are 1.4 mbpd higher than the EIA figures? I don't think this information is readily available, though the EIA do show monthly estimates for consumption, in their STEO.
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Re: IEA OMR for April 2008

Unread postby TonyPrep » Wed 14 May 2008, 02:13:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'H')ey smart folks- Can you educate me a bit better to the figures they are using. Is that total crude and condensates (all liquids) they are talking about? Is there a separate place to find out exact crude oil production figures? Thanks.
The EIA data is broken down somewhat in their monthy report but I'm not sure it's all the breakdown you'd like.
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Re: IEA OMR for April 2008

Unread postby FreddyH » Thu 15 May 2008, 01:22:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'T')he differential of 1.4-mbd from EIA stats is getting a bit absurd. It is based on IEA's failure to address energy inputs for BTL, heavy, x-heavy & bitumen processing.
Do you know if IEA estimates for consumption are 1.4 mbpd higher than the EIA figures? I don't think this information is readily available, though the EIA do show monthly estimates for consumption, in their STEO.


IEA consumption is 0.9-mbd higher than EIA for March/April. BTW, March figures are for Q1 ... not March monthly.
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Re: IEA OMR for April 2008

Unread postby TonyPrep » Thu 15 May 2008, 05:19:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreddyH', 'T')he differential of 1.4-mbd from EIA stats is getting a bit absurd. It is based on IEA's failure to address energy inputs for BTL, heavy, x-heavy & bitumen processing.
Do you know if IEA estimates for consumption are 1.4 mbpd higher than the EIA figures? I don't think this information is readily available, though the EIA do show monthly estimates for consumption, in their STEO.


IEA consumption is 0.9-mbd higher than EIA for March/April. BTW, March figures are for Q1 ... not March monthly.
Well, I guess that most of the production difference is accounted for in a higher consumption figure. That still leaves 0.5 mbpd extra, on the IEA figures (though I think the 1.4 gap may have narrowed this month).
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IEA reporting biofuels

Unread postby smiley » Thu 15 May 2008, 18:57:31

I 've been wondering about a sudden jump in global oil production last year as reported by the IEA.

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Then I noticed this in the latest OMR.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')on-OPEC growth averages some 815 kb/d in 2008, after 545 kb/d in 2007, representing a potential resurgence in growth to the highest non-OPEC level since 2004. The FSU (+395 kb/d), Asia Pacific region (+365 kb/d), [b]global biofuels (+425 kb/d)[/b
]
http://omrpublic.iea.org/currentissues/full.pdf

I can't remember that they mentioned biofuels before.

Does anyone know if and when they have added them to the production?
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Re: IEA reporting biofuels

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 15 May 2008, 23:08:51

In the summary they refer to in July of 07, biofuels start to show up as a little blip on their supply summary in the first quarter of '06.

I went back through most of the '06 archives and could not find any mention of it at all.

There is a cryptic reference in March of '07.

So I am thinking it finally got bigger than roundoff error in the middle of '06.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Other Sources of Supply Growth - Biofuels
Global biofuel production – largely ethanol and biodiesel – is forecast to increase by an impressive 32% in
2008 (+350 kb/d) to reach 1.45 mb/d. This follows similar growth in 2007, albeit from a low absolute base.
Widespread biodiesel growth in OECD Europe accounts for 38% (135 kb/d) of next year’s increase, while
the US, Brazil and non-OECD Asia each adds at least 50 kb/d to prevailing supply (predominantly ethanol
for the US and Brazil, which is included in those countries’ total oil supply data). Nonetheless, despite
sharp increases in percentage terms, this outlook mirrors a generally cautious forecast for biofuels in 2006-
2012 as contained in the MTOMR. Although installed capacity (based on firm projects) potentially reaches
nearly 3.0 mb/d in 2012 from 1.0 mb/d in 2006, either substantial amounts of capacity could remain
underutilised, or some projects may slip. Questions continue to surround biofuels’ economic viability
(given rising feedstock costs), competing claims on land use between energy and food supply and an
apparent lack of specific policy mandates for biofuels uptake within the vehicle fuel pool.


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Re: IEA reporting biofuels

Unread postby smiley » Fri 16 May 2008, 04:27:51

Thx,

It is deceptive isn't it? The way they lump it al together makes impossible to extract real field production numbers from the data.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Q: How do econometrists change a lightbulb.
A: They don't. They just redefine darkness as being light.

:)

Here are some production data on biofuel production and growth.
http://www.iea.org/textbase/techno/essentials2.pdf
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Re: IEA reporting biofuels

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 16 May 2008, 13:00:35

I read something recently showing some real egregious double counting done by Iran as a matter of course. Didn't bookmark unfortunately.
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IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby Sketh » Wed 21 May 2008, 16:57:00

From the WSJ

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world's premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of a large study of the condition of world's top oil fields. Its findings won't be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude-oil supplies could be far tighter than previously thought.

The IEA has predicted for several years that crude-oil supplies will arc gently upward to keep pace with rising demand, topping 116 million barrels a day by 2030, up from around 87 million barrels a day now. But the agency is now worried that aging oil fields and diminished investment mean that companies could struggle to break beyond 100 million barrels a day over the next two decades.
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The IEA is now trying to shed light on some of the industry's best-kept secrets through a study of the world's top 400 oil fields. With behind-the-scenes assistance from major oil companies, oil-field-service companies, energy ministries and consultants, the agency hopes to assess the overall health of major fields scattered from Venezuela and Mexico to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. The fields supply more than two-thirds of daily world production.

The study, employing the efforts of a team of 25 analysts, marks a sea change in the IEA's efforts to peer into the future. In the past, the agency focused mainly on assessing future demand and then looked at how much non-OPEC countries were likely to produce to meet that demand. Any gap, it was assumed, would then be met by big OPEC producers such as Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait.

Seems like they're dropping like flies. CERA next?
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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby jdmartin » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:06:47

CERA will probably be one of the last holdouts. I wonder where all this $20-30 oil prices are that everyone's been saying is just on the horizon? :roll:
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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby Cashmere » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:13:39

Oh boy, I can't wait till oil gets back to 20 bucks a barrel.

I've already got my SUV picked out . . .

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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby Peleg » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:13:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sketh', 'F')rom the WSJ

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world's premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of a large study of the condition of world's top oil fields. Its findings won't be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude-oil supplies could be far tighter than previously thought.

The IEA has predicted for several years that crude-oil supplies will arc gently upward to keep pace with rising demand, topping 116 million barrels a day by 2030, up from around 87 million barrels a day now. But the agency is now worried that aging oil fields and diminished investment mean that companies could struggle to break beyond 100 million barrels a day over the next two decades.
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The IEA is now trying to shed light on some of the industry's best-kept secrets through a study of the world's top 400 oil fields. With behind-the-scenes assistance from major oil companies, oil-field-service companies, energy ministries and consultants, the agency hopes to assess the overall health of major fields scattered from Venezuela and Mexico to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. The fields supply more than two-thirds of daily world production.

The study, employing the efforts of a team of 25 analysts, marks a sea change in the IEA's efforts to peer into the future. In the past, the agency focused mainly on assessing future demand and then looked at how much non-OPEC countries were likely to produce to meet that demand. Any gap, it was assumed, would then be met by big OPEC producers such as Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait.

Seems like they're dropping like flies. CERA next?


Simmons told us this study was underway. I think it will only be worth more than the paper it's written on if there is no way to hide the truth from the market. Otherwise the will spin it super soft and everyone who clings onto that rope will fall down into the ravine.

November is one very long hard summer away from us. Leaking a downgrade now. Look they say 116 mbpd but now maybe trouble getting to 100 mbpd (one of the execs was just out saying that a few months ago.) But now that is like saying we are going to fall 7% short of demand by 2030. Price, price, price.

However they are very mistaken. We will be 8% below current production levels (at least) in three years.
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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby Eli » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:24:04

The IEA should just shut the fuck up they are making an ass of themselves the more they talk and prognosticate the more they prove they are just a bunch of idiots.
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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby Peleg » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:26:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he IEA should just shut the fuck up they are making an ass of themselves the more they talk and prognosticate the more they prove they are just a bunch of idiots.


It's their job to prognosticate. They can't just say, 'we are certain to be wrong so we are going to stop making forecasts.'

If we understand statistics we know every forecast is certain to be wrong, what you hope to do is be within a reasonable percent so people can have some chance of planning for the future.
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Re: IEA to Slash Estimate of World's Supply of Crude

Unread postby jdmartin » Wed 21 May 2008, 17:35:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he IEA should just shut the fuck up they are making an ass of themselves the more they talk and prognosticate the more they prove they are just a bunch of idiots.


You know, I'm beginning to feel that cornucopians should be burned at the stake. If the doomers are wrong, and there's plenty of oil, well all that's at stake is a bunch of people looking stupid. If the cornucopians are wrong, and we're on/over the edge, it's a serious plunge for civilization.

It would be smarter for everyone to act as if doomers are right, even if they aren't.

PS: Eli, I used to have a pretty funny post of past EIA predictions on here somewhere...
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