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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:10:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mercurygirl', 'W')ell, he's got a point or two. Women made me gay, sorry, don't buy it.

I assume this alludes to me. How can you know whether to "buy it" when you don't know what you're talking about, Mercurygirl? What do you know of the gay experience? You're the one who would barely even kiss yourself. -snip-
You know I think you are an okay guy right? But, I am going to have to say, that you are wrong. If you were not gay, you would not be able to be in a relationship with another dude. I am sorry, but you can't choose to find someone atttractive, you either like the cock or not. There really isn't two ways about it.

Jason, I think you're a lovable idiot too, but on this one you're completely wrong. Your analysis of human sexuality is vastly too simplistic. One could hardly think of a more complex, nuanced subject.

After playing the field and learning a whole lot about myself and others, I chose my own path. Not all gay men are born that way, you know. I chose to be with men because I prefer their company and because I saw certain practical advantages in it. It's really that simple. Cocks and vaginas have had very little to do with it.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:12:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help. God protect me from these psychos after PO.
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Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:15:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')ometimes they judge you by your eyes and what's in them. There have been many fat men who could score left and right.

Those fatties were able to get laid because they were rich or they had a big dick.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'P')erhaps you are resonating with a deep sensuousness that is almost feminine in quality, with your male partners, Heineken? I'm happy for you and appreciate that you haven't lived a life of quiet desperation, as so many do, in similar situation.

Thanks, T-bear. Actually some of the most masculine creatures I ever saw were gay men (and women, BTW!). Huge hulking powerful biker types.I've had my share of relationship problems, but so do heterosexuals, no?

Anyway, things have been pretty quiet for the past 11 years with the guy I'm with, and as I get older the whole sex thing steadily fades to gray. Then you're left with the PERSON you're with, not sets of sex organs. Fortunately my person is someone I trust without limit. I think trust is even more important than love (although I love him, too).
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PMS', 'S')ometimes they judge you by your eyes and what's in them. There have been many fat men who could score left and right.


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Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:34:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help.

God protect me from these psychos after PO.


Psychological help is a scam. It rarely works. I've been to 6 different therapists and they were no help.

If you think I'm fucked up now, you should have talked to me 3 years ago. I've gotten much better since then.

The main reason I have such a beef with most women is that I've seen many horrible marriages in my time, now I refuse to date the same person more than 2 months. I have a thing against commitment. Another factor is that I'm a loner. I like coming home at the end of the day and having the apartment to myself. I like the fact that I don't have to answer to some naggish hag. Even nice women annoy me after a while... they're too needy. I hate when someone expects me to cheer them up, talk about mushy romantic bullshit, or listen to them talk about their bullshit bad day at work stories... I just don't care about any of that shit. At the end of the day, I just wanna sit back with a beer and a Marlboro and watch some tv or read without being nagged.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:51:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'J')ason, I think you're a lovable idiot too, but on this one you're completely wrong. Your analysis of human sexuality is vastly too simplistic. One could hardly think of a more complex, nuanced subject. After playing the field and learning a whole lot about myself and others, I chose my own path. Not all gay men are born that way, you know. I chose to be with men because I prefer their company and because I saw certain practical advantages in it. It's really that simple. Cocks and vaginas have had very little to do with it.

I just don't buy it. You can be bi-sexual, straight, gay, and agamic but, I don't buy for a second that you can be something you are not. If you are not gay, then you would be straight, agamic, or whatever. You cannot be involved sexually with someone if you are not attracted to them and attraction denotes sexual preference. Which in the case of a man being with another man, means, that they are gay or at least bi-sexual which just means that they have a sexual preference towards both members of the species. Now, I have no problem with this and I respect everyone’s right, but I am not sure where you are trying to go with your train of thought and I also wonder if you have gone all these years denying that you have these desires and just wish to assign a new label to why you are the way you are and or if you are just using this choice mentality in order to convert people to choosing the same sex out of their own frustrations with their own gender.

Actually, it sounds to me more like a speal to convince those that are unwilling to accept their own sexuality to come over to a side that they are scared to admit they prefer. We all know there are varying degrees of homosexual desires in all people. I am willing to admit I have seen guys before that I thought were really good looking and who I admired them as physical specimens and I acknowledge that on some basic level I find a certain amount of attraction towards them. I am not ashamed of that, but I also know that I do not want their penis anywhere near me and the thought of taking a cock, kind of makes me sick.

I don't wish to fight with you over this, but you sort of forced me with your “simplistic” comment, I have thought this through very carefully and I have come to the only conclusion that seems to be correct in all forms. While I cannot understand homosexuality, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality and human relations and I am also 99% certain that my hypothesis is correct and well thought out. If you wish to continue to debate this with me, I am more than happy to hear your thought process and understand your position more clearly.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 08 May 2008, 01:53:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help.God protect me from these psychos after PO.
Psychological help is a scam. It rarely works. I've been to 6 different therapists and they were no help. If you think I'm fucked up now, you should have talked to me 3 years ago. I've gotten much better since then. The main reason I have such a beef with most women is that I've seen many horrible marriages in my time, now I refuse to date the same person more than 2 months. I have a thing against commitment. Another factor is that I'm a loner. I like coming home at the end of the day and having the apartment to myself. I like the fact that I don't have to answer to some naggish hag. Even nice women annoy me after a while... they're too needy. I hate when someone expects me to cheer them up, talk about mushy romantic bullshit, or listen to them talk about their bullshit bad day at work stories... I just don't care about any of that shit. At the end of the day, I just wanna sit back with a beer and a Marlboro and watch some tv or read without being nagged.

I use to be like that too. Now, I know I need that connection.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 08 May 2008, 02:32:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help.

God protect me from these psychos after PO.


Psychological help is a scam. It rarely works. I've been to 6 different therapists and they were no help.

If you think I'm fucked up now, you should have talked to me 3 years ago. I've gotten much better since then.

The main reason I have such a beef with most women is that I've seen many horrible marriages in my time, now I refuse to date the same person more than 2 months. I have a thing against commitment. Another factor is that I'm a loner. I like coming home at the end of the day and having the apartment to myself. I like the fact that I don't have to answer to some naggish hag. Even nice women annoy me after a while... they're too needy. I hate when someone expects me to cheer them up, talk about mushy romantic bullshit, or listen to them talk about their bullshit bad day at work stories... I just don't care about any of that shit. At the end of the day, I just wanna sit back with a beer and a Marlboro and watch some tv or read without being nagged.


I think many of my women friends didn't realize just how simple most young men were, when we were younger. This is something I tried repeatedly to drive home to them. It's all about the simple pleasures of eating, having sex, defecation, driving fast, a couple of diversionary hobbies, and then bed time. Not all of you are like this, but a good 60% are. And if it's not about YOU, you have limited interest. thanks for posting this. You will change as you get older. You may even end up on bended knee begging some fat harpy to rescue from your lonliness! :lol:
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 08 May 2008, 11:42:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help.

God protect me from these psychos after PO.


Psychological help is a scam. It rarely works. I've been to 6 different therapists and they were no help.

If you think I'm fucked up now, you should have talked to me 3 years ago. I've gotten much better since then.

The main reason I have such a beef with most women is that I've seen many horrible marriages in my time, now I refuse to date the same person more than 2 months. I have a thing against commitment. Another factor is that I'm a loner. I like coming home at the end of the day and having the apartment to myself. I like the fact that I don't have to answer to some naggish hag. Even nice women annoy me after a while... they're too needy. I hate when someone expects me to cheer them up, talk about mushy romantic bullshit, or listen to them talk about their bullshit bad day at work stories... I just don't care about any of that shit. At the end of the day, I just wanna sit back with a beer and a Marlboro and watch some tv or read without being nagged.


I think many of my women friends didn't realize just how simple most young men were, when we were younger. This is something I tried repeatedly to drive home to them. It's all about the simple pleasures of eating, having sex, defecation, driving fast, a couple of diversionary hobbies, and then bed time. Not all of you are like this, but a good 60% are. And if it's not about YOU, you have limited interest. thanks for posting this. You will change as you get older. You may even end up on bended knee begging some fat harpy to rescue from your lonliness! :lol:


But threadbear, isn't simplicity one of the most all-season ideals that there is?

If simple pleasures make a man feel complete, how could additional complexity be considered an improvement?

To me, rather than suggesting that men with simple desires are simple, it might be useful to think about how your own desires (not you necessarily, but whoever is commenting) may actually be a lot more complicated than they need to be.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 May 2008, 12:00:27

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Jason, I think you're a lovable idiot too, but on this one you're completely wrong.

Your analysis of human sexuality is vastly too simplistic. One could hardly think of a more complex, nuanced subject.

After playing the field and learning a whole lot about myself and others, I chose my own path. Not all gay men are born that way, you know.

I chose to be with men because I prefer their company and because I saw certain practical advantages in it.

It's really that simple. Cocks and vaginas have had very little to do with it.



I just don't buy it. You can be bi-sexual, straight, gay, and agamic but, I don't buy for a second that you can be something you are not. If you are not gay, then you would be straight, agamic, or whatever. You cannot be involved sexually with someone if you are not attracted to them and attraction denotes sexual preference. Which in the case of a man being with another man, means, that they are gay or at least bi-sexual which just means that they have a sexual preference towards both members of the species. Now, I have no problem with this and I respect everyone’s right, but I am not sure where you are trying to go with your train of thought and I also wonder if you have gone all these years denying that you have these desires and just wish to assign a new label to why you are the way you are and or if you are just using this choice mentality in order to convert people to choosing the same sex out of their own frustrations with their own gender.

Actually, it sounds to me more like a speal to convince those that are unwilling to accept their own sexuality to come over to a side that they are scared to admit they prefer. We all know there are varying degrees of homosexual desires in all people. I am willing to admit I have seen guys before that I thought were really good looking and who I admired them as physical specimens and I acknowledge that on some basic level I find a certain amount of attraction towards them. I am not ashamed of that, but I also know that I do not want their penis anywhere near me and the thought of taking a cock, kind of makes me sick.

I don't wish to fight with you over this, but you sort of forced me with your “simplistic” comment, I have thought this through very carefully and I have come to the only conclusion that seems to be correct in all forms. While I cannot understand homosexuality, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality and human relations and I am also 99% certain that my hypothesis is correct and well thought out. If you wish to continue to debate this with me, I am more than happy to hear your thought process and understand your position more clearly.


You are too hung up on labels, Jason. Labels and categories. I would caution you that that sort of thinking inevitably leads to a spurious set of conclusions, esp. where human behavior is concerned.

Whatever I am, that is what I am. A blend of all sorts of influences and decisions and experiences that have resulted in me---and even then, still an ever-shifting, shimmery being that unlike a tree is not rooted in one spot for life.

I don't think any of us truly understands what we are. Even after years of intensive analysis, many psychiatrists remain mysteries to themselves.

I didn't say I wasn't attracted to the person I'm with. He is a very handsome young man who actually appeared in movies and advertisements in his native Nigeria. But, physically, I could just as easily have been attracted to a woman. So maybe I'm a bisexual, but what sort of a category is that?? It isn't a category, it's a whole bunch of drawers in the file cabinet.

Your comment that "while I cannot understand homosexuals, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality" is an oxymoron.

I would admit that I have a strong grasp of nothing.
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Unread postby Heineken » Thu 08 May 2008, 12:04:09

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Jason, I think you're a lovable idiot too, but on this one you're completely wrong.

Your analysis of human sexuality is vastly too simplistic. One could hardly think of a more complex, nuanced subject.

After playing the field and learning a whole lot about myself and others, I chose my own path. Not all gay men are born that way, you know.

I chose to be with men because I prefer their company and because I saw certain practical advantages in it.

It's really that simple. Cocks and vaginas have had very little to do with it.



I just don't buy it. You can be bi-sexual, straight, gay, and agamic but, I don't buy for a second that you can be something you are not. If you are not gay, then you would be straight, agamic, or whatever. You cannot be involved sexually with someone if you are not attracted to them and attraction denotes sexual preference. Which in the case of a man being with another man, means, that they are gay or at least bi-sexual which just means that they have a sexual preference towards both members of the species. Now, I have no problem with this and I respect everyone’s right, but I am not sure where you are trying to go with your train of thought and I also wonder if you have gone all these years denying that you have these desires and just wish to assign a new label to why you are the way you are and or if you are just using this choice mentality in order to convert people to choosing the same sex out of their own frustrations with their own gender.

Actually, it sounds to me more like a speal to convince those that are unwilling to accept their own sexuality to come over to a side that they are scared to admit they prefer. We all know there are varying degrees of homosexual desires in all people. I am willing to admit I have seen guys before that I thought were really good looking and who I admired them as physical specimens and I acknowledge that on some basic level I find a certain amount of attraction towards them. I am not ashamed of that, but I also know that I do not want their penis anywhere near me and the thought of taking a cock, kind of makes me sick.

I don't wish to fight with you over this, but you sort of forced me with your “simplistic” comment, I have thought this through very carefully and I have come to the only conclusion that seems to be correct in all forms. While I cannot understand homosexuality, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality and human relations and I am also 99% certain that my hypothesis is correct and well thought out. If you wish to continue to debate this with me, I am more than happy to hear your thought process and understand your position more clearly.


You are too hung up on labels, Jason. Labels and categories. I would caution you that that sort of thinking inevitably leads to a spurious set of conclusions, esp. where human behavior is concerned.

Whatever I am, that is what I am. A blend of all sorts of influences and decisions and experiences that have resulted in me---and even then, still an ever-shifting, shimmery being that unlike a tree is not rooted in one spot for life.

I don't think any of us truly understands what we are. Even after years of intensive analysis, many psychiatrists remain mysteries to themselves.

A central myth about homosexuals---and one of the uglier ones--- is that they're all conspiring to bring others over to "their side." As a general statement, this is absolute crap.

There are plenty of heterosexuals who are kiddie molesters and worse, BTW.

I didn't say I wasn't attracted to the person I'm with. He is a very handsome young man who actually appeared in movies and advertisements in his native Nigeria. But, physically, I could just as easily have been attracted to a woman. So maybe I'm a bisexual, but what sort of a category is that?? It isn't a category, it's a whole bunch of drawers in the file cabinet.

Your comment that "while I cannot understand homosexuals, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality" is an oxymoron.

I admit that I have a strong grasp of nothing, and so should you.

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Jason, I think you're a lovable idiot too, but on this one you're completely wrong.

Your analysis of human sexuality is vastly too simplistic. One could hardly think of a more complex, nuanced subject.

After playing the field and learning a whole lot about myself and others, I chose my own path. Not all gay men are born that way, you know.

I chose to be with men because I prefer their company and because I saw certain practical advantages in it.

It's really that simple. Cocks and vaginas have had very little to do with it.



I just don't buy it. You can be bi-sexual, straight, gay, and agamic but, I don't buy for a second that you can be something you are not. If you are not gay, then you would be straight, agamic, or whatever. You cannot be involved sexually with someone if you are not attracted to them and attraction denotes sexual preference. Which in the case of a man being with another man, means, that they are gay or at least bi-sexual which just means that they have a sexual preference towards both members of the species. Now, I have no problem with this and I respect everyone’s right, but I am not sure where you are trying to go with your train of thought and I also wonder if you have gone all these years denying that you have these desires and just wish to assign a new label to why you are the way you are and or if you are just using this choice mentality in order to convert people to choosing the same sex out of their own frustrations with their own gender.

Actually, it sounds to me more like a speal to convince those that are unwilling to accept their own sexuality to come over to a side that they are scared to admit they prefer. We all know there are varying degrees of homosexual desires in all people. I am willing to admit I have seen guys before that I thought were really good looking and who I admired them as physical specimens and I acknowledge that on some basic level I find a certain amount of attraction towards them. I am not ashamed of that, but I also know that I do not want their penis anywhere near me and the thought of taking a cock, kind of makes me sick.

I don't wish to fight with you over this, but you sort of forced me with your “simplistic” comment, I have thought this through very carefully and I have come to the only conclusion that seems to be correct in all forms. While I cannot understand homosexuality, I do have a strong grasp of sexuality and human relations and I am also 99% certain that my hypothesis is correct and well thought out. If you wish to continue to debate this with me, I am more than happy to hear your thought process and understand your position more clearly.


jasonraymondson, the best you can do is describe what works for you.

Human desires differ more from person to person than you might think.

I've seen it play out too many different ways to believe that there is a rule that explains everyone in this area.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby Olaf » Thu 08 May 2008, 12:29:52

Nah. I'm an asshole. I'd constantly piss myself off and ruin the mood.

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Unread postby Ludi » Thu 08 May 2008, 14:07:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', ' ')It isn't a category, it's a whole bunch of drawers in the file cabinet.


Sort of like "agnostic."
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Unread postby bodigami » Fri 09 May 2008, 15:57:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'A') guy is gay or he is straight,


or both


or none (asexual). if some guy says he doesn't like girls, it doesn't imply that he likes guys, maybe he doesn't like anyone at all. Why do people HAVE to want sex?!

...not saying I'm asexual, but it's a possibility for some.
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Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 09 May 2008, 21:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('misterno', 'S')ome people here and definitely OP needs serious psychological help.

God protect me from these psychos after PO.


Psychological help is a scam. It rarely works. I've been to 6 different therapists and they were no help.

If you think I'm fucked up now, you should have talked to me 3 years ago. I've gotten much better since then.

The main reason I have such a beef with most women is that I've seen many horrible marriages in my time, now I refuse to date the same person more than 2 months. I have a thing against commitment. Another factor is that I'm a loner. I like coming home at the end of the day and having the apartment to myself. I like the fact that I don't have to answer to some naggish hag. Even nice women annoy me after a while... they're too needy. I hate when someone expects me to cheer them up, talk about mushy romantic bullshit, or listen to them talk about their bullshit bad day at work stories... I just don't care about any of that shit. At the end of the day, I just wanna sit back with a beer and a Marlboro and watch some tv or read without being nagged.


I think many of my women friends didn't realize just how simple most young men were, when we were younger. This is something I tried repeatedly to drive home to them. It's all about the simple pleasures of eating, having sex, defecation, driving fast, a couple of diversionary hobbies, and then bed time. Not all of you are like this, but a good 60% are. And if it's not about YOU, you have limited interest. thanks for posting this. You will change as you get older. You may even end up on bended knee begging some fat harpy to rescue from your lonliness! :lol:


I don't think you get it. I actually LIKE being alone at the end of the day. Most people find it depressing, I find it relaxing and peaceful. For me, it's the best feeling in the world. Not everyone in the world needs someone else to make their lives complete.

I'm different than most people, I guess. I actually WANT to die alone. Most people are affraid of being alone, I'm deathly affraid of relationships that last longer than 2 months.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 09 May 2008, 21:52:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '
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Isn't that about how long it takes for the lust & novelty to wear off? I'm not faulting you for it, you are honest here. But in meatspace, are you honest? If you know your partner is going to get 'needy' after two months, don't you know ahead of time that you will have to hurt them? I would think that after a while it must get irksome to have to keep hurting & disappointing people.
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 10 May 2008, 01:53:09

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I don't think you get it. I actually LIKE being alone at the end of the day. Most people find it depressing, I find it relaxing and peaceful. For me, it's the best feeling in the world. Not everyone in the world needs someone else to make their lives complete..

I don't think you get that I get it. I get it. I have since my late twenties. Men are different, particularly if they're loners. The differences reduce as does sexual polarity, with age, but they are still there. If my husband has insomnia, all I have to do is talk about my childhood--puts him right to sleep. :lol:

When I talk, I think he pretty much processes it as either pleasant background jazz, that he can half listen to while focussing on something else, or discordant clashing cymbals and trombones, he'd rather not deal with. He's changed quite a bit after 13 years of marriage, but he's a guy's guy, a bit of a loner, and likes tangible problems, and scientific or political problems. Interpersonal vagaries are trying for him.

So you're not so different from a lot of poor saps who end up married. Give yourself time. You could change, and if you don't, well that's okay too. Sometimes it is better to just be alone. I love going to restaurants and movies by myself :lol:
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Re: If there was another you, would you have sex with yourse

Unread postby mercurygirl » Sat 10 May 2008, 02:08:05

That's funny. Strangely enough, even though they seem not to pick up the details which we women love to provide, men do remember some amazing things about the stuff we say to them.

I can be happy alone. I didn't get married until 35. At the time, I wished for the right partner and was sent my husband, who is not what I would've ordered, but here we are, seven years later.

Love is funny.
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