[maverickdoc]

1-5% of the population, That is wildly optimistic. I would say .1% if that, in the US (most of us don’t want to know). And perhaps 1% in Europe.

[TrueKaiser]

O_o all i did was ask a simple question.
anyway i do value everyone's reply's.
yea i know 7 billion years is long enough for several more intelligent species to evolve if they do evolve as fast as we have, and i know it's more then enough time for the earth to refill it's reserves. i asked the question because peak oil is not about running out of oil but running out of the cheap stuff that could be sold and used to float a economy. i think if they ignore the cost of extracting enough oil to continue to do some minor exploring or focusing on making the moon a springboard to launch future missions then we might still have a chance, a slim one at best but a chance.

[Dezakin]

Why do you think I don't know what I'm talking about? Peak oil means exactly that, and little more.

Learn a bit about resource substitution; While diesel fuel is probably the best volumeteric way of storing energy, it is not required that we make it exclusively from oil. We can make it from coal vial fischer-tropsch synthesis, from natural gas, and when all the fossil fuels are gone, from nuclear energy, limestone and water.

I've posted several times multiple cites on why we wont run out of cheap uranium/thorium for the next tens of thousands of years, and can post them again if you don't believe me. I've posted on the economics of nuclear power that show it to be decidedly the least expensive way to produce large scale electric power.

Which claim exactly do you have issue with? I'll take all arguments and show them to be paper tigers.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', 'C')lam down Tyler. Dezakin does not really know what he is talking about.

Dezakin you need to read up before posting some thing like that. You might want to start out by watching some videos.

http://smalley.rice.edu (this guy won a nobel prize)

http://www.peakoil.net/Colin.html

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')-5% of the population, That is wildly optimistic. I would say .1% if that, in the US (most of us don’t want to know). And perhaps 1% in Europe.

[maverickdoc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')-5% of the population, That is wildly optimistic. I would say .1% if that, in the US (most of us don’t want to know). And perhaps 1% in Europe.

[Tyler_JC]

And counter point. Less than 1% of the adult population know what we know. That includes high level governmental officials, oil workers, geologists, and all of the other people who would learn about it in their line of work.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')ey Maverick...send the guy the link to Bartletts video on exponential growth..I'm not too sure where it is.

[Terran]

Doubt it, another thing is think about is look at the sheer distance. Nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. It takes light 4.3 years to travel that distance. If you look at space travel today, it wouldn't work it simply won't be fast enough. Even if we travel at 1/10th the speed of light, which seems impossable with todays technology it will still take a pretty long time.

It seems like we've blown it, we've wasted alot of useful resources on junk that we don't need. Seems like no more moon missions, I'm not too sure about the mission to mars. Then remember that they had to get rid of the Russian MIR space station. We do have the International Space station, but wonder how long that's going to last.....

It seems like our motivation towards space is for warfare reasons. Seen if we succeed we will see the militarization of space. Ever heard of whoever controls space, controls the planet?

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', 'D')oubt it, another thing is think about is look at the sheer distance. Nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. It takes light 4.3 years to travel that distance.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')ey Maverick...send the guy the link to Bartletts video on exponential growth..I'm not too sure where it is.

[Dezakin]

All of our energy can be derived from nuclear. Even transportation infrastructure. Heres a hint: you can synthesize diesel fuel from air and water with nuclear energy inputs.

Oil is just another substitutable commodity. The cheapest source of fuel but by no means the only one.

[maverickdoc]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'A')ll of our energy can be derived from nuclear. Even transportation infrastructure. Heres a hint: you can synthesize diesel fuel from air and water with nuclear energy inputs.

Oil is just another substitutable commodity. The cheapest source of fuel but by no means the only one.

[TrueKaiser]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Terran', 'D')oubt it, another thing is think about is look at the sheer distance. Nearest star is about 4.3 light years away. It takes light 4.3 years to travel that distance. If you look at space travel today, it wouldn't work it simply won't be fast enough. Even if we travel at 1/10th the speed of light, which seems impossable with todays technology it will still take a pretty long time.


It seems like we've blown it, we've wasted alot of useful resources on junk that we don't need. Seems like no more moon missions, I'm not too sure about the mission to mars. Then remember that they had to get rid of the Russian MIR space station. We do have the International Space station, but wonder how long that's going to last.....

It seems like our motivation towards space is for warfare reasons. Seen if we succeed we will see the militarization of space. Ever heard of whoever controls space, controls the planet?

[trespam]

Money talks. Words walk. Price of Uranium: Up. Price of Oil: Up. Number of of people who can be supported in space as of this writing: approximately three.

All the rest is largely science fiction. David Goodstein computes whether we can replace fossil energy with reactors. His conclusion: No. He's a physicist. So am I. I'm more than happy to look at proposals for ways in which nuclear will replace fossil fuels, but so far, it's all hot air.

The US has spent approximately $300 billion (or soon will) to estabish a firm foothold in the oil production capital of the world. Hence, with all their expertise, they're grabbing for the goo, not talking about breeder reactors.

But dream on. Just remember: It's not science. It's science fiction. And true, some science fiction proves to be true, or close to the truth. And much proves to be false. Doesn't prove anything.

[Terran]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')No, you nimrod, the nearest star is approximately 8 light minutes away. We just need to bring a little more of the energy from that star over to the earth, using mirrors for example.

[0mar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 'A')ll of our energy can be derived from nuclear. Even transportation infrastructure. Heres a hint: you can synthesize diesel fuel from air and water with nuclear energy inputs.

Oil is just another substitutable commodity. The cheapest source of fuel but by no means the only one.

[Dezakin]

maverickdoc: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')an you back those up with articles?

[maverickdoc]

ok Dezakin. You know your nukes. I am impressed. how much do you know about PO? have you read any books? seen any seminars? how long have you been aware of PO? how did you come to know about it?

[Dezakin]

maverickdoc:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ow much do you know about PO? have you read any books? seen any seminars? how long have you been aware of PO? how did you come to know about it?