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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby sittinguy » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 13:03:42

I've been feeling the same way for a year now. I can't hepl feeling I'm going to be looking back thinking holy shit we took alot for granted. Even IF we had 10 more years of life like this, 10 years is nothing!. I think we have less than 10, maybe 3 or 4. But who knows.

On one side I want it to end so we can get back to what really matters and end this rat race that we are all stuck in till we die.

On the other hand I'm going to miss my pool.

Getting prepared helps the feeling of despair. It feels good knowing I have 6 months of food for my family and enough ammo to defend it.

I took a year off from my hobbys to start my preps, a few weeks ago I went back to my hobby of track ride on my motorcycle, and I could'nt stop thinking how irresponsible it was to spend that much money at this time with all thats going on. I had to force myself to let it go, and go. I had a great time but it wasn't the same,,,, I guess it never will be again. But I am planning another trip next month and hopefully I won't be thinking of all the preps I could have bought.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby vision-master » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 13:49:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'I')'ve been feeling the same way for a year now. I can't hepl feeling I'm going to be looking back thinking holy shit we took alot for granted. Even IF we had 10 more years of life like this, 10 years is nothing!. I think we have less than 10, maybe 3 or 4. But who knows.

On one side I want it to end so we can get back to what really matters and end this rat race that we are all stuck in till we die.

On the other hand I'm going to miss my pool.

Getting prepared helps the feeling of despair. It feels good knowing I have 6 months of food for my family and enough ammo to defend it.

I took a year off from my hobbys to start my preps, a few weeks ago I went back to my hobby of track ride on my motorcycle, and I could'nt stop thinking how irresponsible it was to spend that much money at this time with all thats going on. I had to force myself to let it go, and go. I had a great time but it wasn't the same,,,, I guess it never will be again. But I am planning another trip next month and hopefully I won't be thinking of all the preps I could have bought.


My motorcycle seems to sit more & more. Maybe I'll end up selling her? Thing is, she's paid for and a pretty nice ride to-boot.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby FoolYap » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 13:52:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'I') have been relatively optimistic about peak oil and the coming die off up until the last month. In the last month or so we have seen food prices surge along with everything else and peak oil entering the main stream more.

My plans rely on the system chugging along for the next 2-3 years much the same, with the masses generally ignorant. But the whole thing seems to be crashing down quicker than i expected, or perhaps I've just been spending too much time reading about doom.


I personally think the current headlines are being overblown for those living in the First World. There will be real starvation among the world's poor as a result of grains shortages. The world probably can't support the 6+ billion people it has today, let alone the 8-9+ billion projected before Peak People hits.

But I don't think this is the start of The Global Crash, nor do I think wealthy nations are going to be starving. Yes, Costco may only sell you a few months' worth of rice at a time, in an effort to try to maintain product on the shelves at all times. Yes, price inflation is rampant in food and energy.

And yes, I do believe that ultimately America is in for some very hard times.

But I just don't think todays headlines presage those times. Not yet, or at least, not due to Peak Oil. We've got a very screwed up financial system, and I think we're in for a crushing recession (or depression if you prefer). I doubt it'll be a quick one either.

But, if you have work, you'll be able to buy food. You'll even be able to buy gasoline. You may take a serious hit to your lifestyle, but this is not yet The End.

People predicting otherwise are way too early IMHO.

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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby vision-master » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 13:56:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, if you have work, you'll be able to buy food. You'll even be able to buy gasoline. You may take a serious hit to your lifestyle, but this is not yet The End.

People predicting otherwise are way too early IMHO.



Just like last summer. I stocked up on 50 gal of gas (for the comming shortage). Well, it's still setting in my garage........ :razz:
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby FoolYap » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 14:44:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'J')ust like last summer. I stocked up on 50 gal of gas (for the comming shortage). Well, it's still setting in my garage........ :razz:


I assume you added gas stabilizer? (How long does even stabilized gas stay usable anyway? Anyone know for sure? I know I've seen the question asked in other threads, just can't remember the answer. :razz: )

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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 14:56:31

I saw an article at theoildrum.com that said you should only use Summer gas in the Summer because of the butane levels. It's hard on your car's engine and so on. What I didn't get from the article was how much damage and does it really matter.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Pops » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 15:46:00

I agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby vision-master » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 15:50:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') saw an article at theoildrum.com that said you should only use Summer gas in the Summer because of the butane levels. It's hard on your car's engine and so on. What I didn't get from the article was how much damage and does it really matter.


There is no summer gas (blend) here anymore and yes the gas won't go bad.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby PrairieMule » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 16:51:05

How do you eat the elephant(doom anxiety)?

Learn to eat the elephant one bite at a time, there is just no other way.
If you give a man a fish you will have kept him from hunger for a day. If you teach a man to fish he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby BigTex » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 18:05:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby jasonraymondson » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 18:08:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.


Thus the old adage. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Ivan_M » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 18:55:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.


Thus the old adage. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


or the PO specific, plan like a doomer, live like a powerdowner, and dream like a cornicopian.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby BigTex » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 19:06:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ivan_M', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.


Thus the old adage. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


or the PO specific, plan like a doomer, live like a powerdowner, and dream like a cornicopian.


And party like a maid ho pimpin' playa!!!
:)
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Ainan » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 19:12:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ivan_M', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.


Thus the old adage. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


or the PO specific, plan like a doomer, live like a powerdowner, and dream like a cornicopian.


Very well said, may i quote you in my signature? :)
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Jenab6 » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 19:53:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'W')hat dispair? It's going to be an exciting and challenging time to live. Just think the decisions you make today could litteraly mean your life or death. The ultimate game of chess! With the Ultimate stakes at hand!
We have become soft as a species time to learn to really live again were your decisions MATTER and have CONSEQUENCE!
THRILLING!! :twisted:

Yes, that's also my attitude. Don't despair (the second letter is an e everybody, not an i). PREPARE! Then gloat at everyone who would not prepare. The game is the thing. Like surfing, you either make it to the beach or you don't.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Ludi » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 19:56:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'T')hen gloat at everyone who would not prepare.


The gloating is especially important.


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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Pops » Thu 24 Apr 2008, 20:00:47

I gotta laugh at that ludi!

Except I figured you wore more sensible shoes.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby Ivan_M » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 12:23:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ivan_M', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') agree with most everything on the first page of the thread, especially GNMs thought that he has been overly optimistic to this point.

But as far as despair goes, I mentioned recently that my great grandfather homesteaded a piece of ground in the 1890's, raised my grandma there and she raised my mom through the great depression.

Conditions we can't imagine.


All you can do is all you can do. If all you do is despair, all you'll get is desperation.

Says me.
:)


The mental suffering people put themselves through is in many cases probably worse than the reality of the future they are concerned about. I've never had a future event that I dreaded turn out as bad as my imagination had led me to believe.


Thus the old adage. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.


or the PO specific, plan like a doomer, live like a powerdowner, and dream like a cornicopian.


Very well said, may i quote you in my signature? :)

sure. sig quotes make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Re: Overcoming Despair

Postby vision-master » Fri 25 Apr 2008, 13:07:56

Overcoming Despair - buy some RUSH tickets! :razz:
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