[alokin]

I don't know, if it 's only me thinking like that, but the last two days something has changed in a way that I'm thinking we're doomed. I don't know what exactly it is, the world food crisis or $115 a barrel, the melting arctic ice, bancruptcy of airlines it's just everything how the doomers said.

Meanwhile Obama and Clinton fight each other instead of fighting for political concepts -disgusting!

How many time we have left? I guess not too much!

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')orld food crisis or $115 a barrel, the melting arctic ice, bancruptcy of airlines it's just everything how the doomers said.

[alokin]

don't understand me false: I always had a corner in my mind that told me, well maybe it will turn out differently, this faded.
For me, it's now VERY certain.

[Newfie]

Perhaps this would explain it.

Seven Stages of Grief.

It is widely accepted that there are seven distinct stages in the grieving process.

The seven stages of grief for a scale that one who has suffers a loss will ascend over time.

The seven stages of grief are:
1 Shock or Disbelief
2 Denial
3 Bargaining
4 Guilt
5 Anger
6 Depression
7 Acceptance and Hope

You may be transiting from the Denial stage into the Bargaining stage.

The 7 stages are written in various ways for different perspectives but the general gist is the same.

Frankly this never works perfectly for me. I get like three stages like this:
A 1&2 combined (shock & denial)
B 4&5 combined (guilt & anger)
C 6 (depression)

I wonder if you can apply this to US society in general. I think the average American is somewhere between 1 and 2. The Greenies are pushing 3. Most PO's are in the 5 range.

Just an idea

[Schadenfreude]

I think I know what you mean. It's the disconnect from the way you hear about things on the MSM - like the subprime meltdown, the ethanol-caused food crisis, the rising price of oil, the collapsing dollar, the hopeless oil war in Iraq, - and the way they are discussed here on PO.com. It makes me think that something is not being properly presented to the public - because it's just too terrible to acknowledge yet.

You know what you can do to really enjoy this black, ominous feeling? Torrent Cormac McCarthy's audiobook, "The Road". Boy, that one will have you dreaming about digging your own grave in the backyard at 3am in the cold, pouring rain.

You have to learn how to enjoy these things.

[Ferretlover]

Alokin, right this minute, it is you.
Your concious And subconcious have finally accepted what has happened, what is happening, and what is going to happen-no matter what you do.
The hold-your-breath, tight chest, and tears will stop in a day or so.
You are about to enter a new state of mind.
But, don't worry.
Most of us know the feeling.

[SpringCreekFarm]

Yes Alokin. I know what you are feeling. I've been feeling that way too lately. I've acknowledged on here that I'm not a doomer, per se, but hopeful that I can get my family through this. It is affecting me and depressing me. It even causes me to freak out occasionally.

Like the day I had a little melt down and deleted many of my past posts because of some incredible anger I felt toward this place called peakoil.com. I know. I look like an idiot but I don't give a fuck. I'll never meet many of you so who cares.

This feeling of doom can also affect decision making processes. For all the preps I do have in place, I need many more and I can't seem to prioritize as of late so that too is driving me crazy. As a small consolation, and I mean very fucking tiny, people are at least acknowledging we do have a problem and they can't put their finger on it but they do know something is wrong.

I stopped trying to be the peak oil messiah a long time ago because I don't particularly like being ridiculed. Funny, those same smart ass people don't like to make eye contact with me as of late either. I wonder if they're feeling that something has changed recently as well.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')orld food crisis or $115 a barrel, the melting arctic ice, bancruptcy of
airlines it's just everything how the doomers said.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alokin', 'I') don't know, if it 's only me thinking like that, but the last two days something has changed in a way that I'm thinking we're doomed. I don't know what exactly it is, the world food crisis or $115 a barrel, the melting arctic ice, bancruptcy of airlines it's just everything how the doomers said.

Meanwhile Obama and Clinton fight each other instead of fighting for political concepts -disgusting!

How many time we have left? I guess not too much!

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')7 Acceptance and Hope

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'I')'m not a doomer, per se, but hopeful that I can get my family through this.

[Newfie]

"Its not getting any smarter out three. You have to come to terms with stupidity and make it work for you"

Frank Zappa

[blukatzen]

there's a few Peak Oiler's I have met when hubby and I ran the Chicago PostCarbon.org's meetup group back in '04 and '05. It's much bigger now...there's lots more people talking about it, so you may run into people now and then that have been here, posted, etc.

One never knows, but it would be nice to meet with some of you on this board, it sure takes the sting out of having to do this by yourself..which is what I think that you may be feeling.

We're here walking alongside you, you know. Have been, all the time.

Blu

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', 'I')'ll never meet many of you so who cares.

[kevincarter]

Yup things are changing, I just talked to a guy I know who has a good position in the gas company. 3years ago I asked him if he wasn't worried about Hubbert's curve, he lained back on his chair and barked "supply and demand", "economic mechanisms" and of course "technology". Well yesterday the guy comes and tells me straight ahead: "This peak oil people are right, in 10 years time none of this will be the same, none". And I tell him "yeah, oil is getting quite expensive, right?" and he is like "Expensive? Do you think that oil at 110 $ is expensive? It's a bargain! we haven't seen anything yet, before you know it we'll have gas at 5 euros per liter, then things will change, a lot" Then he starts talking about organic gardening and how he wants to start a food garden sometime. in the near future. And dudes, this guy... it's not the kind of person who starts a food garden if he doesn't have to. He has a good paying job, wears a tie and a suit, has a fat paycheck, a nice car, good prpoerty and has never shown any interest in growing food or anything vaguely close to that.

So yes, things something has changed and is going to change even more. The question for me is not really how we got here but how do we, personally, get out

[vision-master]

All the nay-sayers I know are starting to listen. This morning one of my brothers finally admited, it won't be long and only rich people will drive cars. This shocked me as a couple Months ago he figured the economy was doing great.

[chakra]

I seem to be in the opposite boat. I feel like I went through all the stages and I'm back at denial again. I've been reading this site for years now, and things seemed pretty hopeless even 3 years ago, but here we are, business as usual.

You think things are falling apart and then the markets rally and everyone is smiling again for a few weeks or months. It seems no matter how many bad things are happening people make adjustments and continue on the same coarse. It seems like in the media there isn't any crisis but just small problems that just require some policy changes and everything will be fine.

The local economy where I am is better then it's been in 25 years, and the housing market here is on fire and still rising.

I'm pessimistic still, and would be a doomer in many peoples eyes, but I'm more optimistic about the future then I've been in years even with the historically high commodity prices.

[dorlomin]

I strongly do not think we are doomed quite yet. I suspect there is still some production growth to come.

There is also alot of room to expand food supply. However unwise. We are reaching the limits of the speed of growth and a transfer of wealth between the spending west and the manufacturing east. It is not all about peak oil but also just who is doing the manufacturing.

Where we are doomed is that the solutions are achievable but we are running out of time to implement them. We are naval gazing about the cost of eggs and them damned bankers not comming up with efficiency savings and stratagies for moving to alternative energy.

I would not be shocked to see another 50-10 million barrels a day before 2011. This does not mean we will just that it is well within the realms of feasablity.

The food situation will fluxuate as farming efficiency increases in the FSU and other places and this will be set against increased consumption from biofuel and new middle classes (and even working classes raised from mear peasants) in the developing world.

However the economic slowdown will be a real bitch. It will distract minds and funds from getting to grips with the damage we are doing to our ecoshere and the steady dwindling of fossil fuel reserves.

If we are doomed as a society it is not inevitable just mental lazyness.

[dunewalker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', 'S')o yes, things something has changed and is going to change even more. The question for me is not really how we got here but how do we, personally, get out

[KingDavid]

...not the f***ing eagles man....
This is actually the dudes line, but since he's not here...

I feel fine

there is still a lot of wasting and spilling of energy going on, got some time left, i reckon