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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 13:55:22

Not that i don't believe them, but it is possible that they would like to save some of that oil for themselves? I mean, if i had a country and was exporting away my most valuable resource and get funny money in return, i would probably say screw it, i'll keep the shit for myself and you asses can go bend over a tree. Try attacking me, i'll make your city glow.

Just of note, but I remember how these Russian women would marry to move out of Russia. Pretty soon American men will be trying to marry Olga to get into Russia! Huge landmass, lots of alcohol, potatoes, lakes, OIL...whats not to love?

Oh... you better like cold weather and herpes.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Gandalf_the_White » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 14:19:49

If the Russians are signalling they are going to produce less oil in the years ahead for whatever reason we are in major trouble. Oil will sky rocket this summer as this beings to be verified. Vlad is not as much of a dupe for the western world as they wanted him to be. Europe will be fine, the US will be a sun dried turd.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 14:21:35

Let's see...

A barrel of oil sells for $110 and extraction costs in Russia are maybe half of that?

$50/barrel profit is a reasonable estimate in this environment.

You only need to extract 20 billion barrels to turn around and make a profit on that trillion dollar investment.

I'm surprised we don't see all of the major oil companies lining up to put up the money.

Oh wait, Russian politics are a pain and your investment will likely be stolen from you.

This isn't a geological peak, this is a political peak. Just like Iran and Mexico.

Geological peaks are so darn rare...
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby KevO » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 14:22:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', 'I')f the Russians are signalling they are going to produce less oil in the years ahead for whatever reason we are in major trouble. Oil will sky rocket this summer as this beings to be verified. Vlad is not as much of a dupe for the western world as they wanted him to be. Europe will be fine, the US will be a sun dried turd.


'signalling'?
They're announcing.
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby Toyota1 » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 14:28:33

What i know, Russia have alot of oil left, not discovered yes 8)

So if russia get investement, they can stay or even go up with there oil production :P 12,5 mill i estimate :cry:
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 15:33:10

Well well well... Well well well... :twisted:

Biggest producer in the world these days, and they have the guts to say it.

It does not matter whether it is a geological peak or not, though. Take a look at their production history - when was that not political? I doubt massive foreign investment would lift production much anyway, and certainly not for any important length of time. And there is no reason to do so either, considering their reliance on oil for district heating.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby cube » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 15:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'L')et's see...

A barrel of oil sells for $110 and extraction costs in Russia are maybe half of that?

$50/barrel profit is a reasonable estimate in this environment.

You only need to extract 20 billion barrels to turn around and make a profit on that trillion dollar investment.

I'm surprised we don't see all of the major oil companies lining up to put up the money.

Oh wait, Russian politics are a pain and your investment will likely be stolen from you.

This isn't a geological peak, this is a political peak. Just like Iran and Mexico.

Geological peaks are so darn rare...
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 17:05:00

That's a pretty good excuse... :lol:

Getting back to topic, for Russia it looks like things are happening
pretty close to what people expected...

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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Novus » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 17:33:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
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Geological peaks are so darn rare...
There's a nation on this planet call the United States of America :oops:


To this day there are people who don't believe even the USA geologically peaked. They blame everything from environmental regulations to cheap Arab oil making domestic production uncompetitive. To them it is all about politics, liberals, and commies that prevent infinite growth from happening forever.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 18:06:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'G')etting back to topic, for Russia it looks like things are happening
pretty close to what people expected...


I cannot find the post I made last August, but here is the graph I made to go with it:

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As you can see, there is a minimum consumption level that was reached after the early 1990s economic collapse and was flat through currency and banking crises, depopulation, and even during much of the recent economic boom. Only in the last couple of years has there been an upward trend, as more ordinary people have benefitted. That floor around 2,700 kb/d, I strongly suspect is district heating. I consider it the perfect solid floor to benchmark export land. That production is reserved.

This is not a forecast. Towards 2015 and beyond, there is a lot of uncertainty and politics are sure to trump all else. But it does illustrate the issues, such as where the negotiating position begins.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 19:33:02

The US defeated the Russians in the cold war by conspiring with the Saudis to increase their oil production and flood the market with cheap oil, which drove the price way down and crashed the Russian economy. Maybe this is a way for the Russians to return the favor, but in a reverse way. Cut production, drive prices way up, crash the US ecomony as quick as possible before they invade more oil rich countries.
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 20:04:20

I have to say I am deeply skeptical at the 25% depletion figure for Sahklin I. It does seem pretty extream.
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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby cube » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 22:15:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'T')he US defeated the Russians in the cold war by conspiring with the Saudis to increase their oil production and flood the market with cheap oil, which drove the price way down and crashed the Russian economy. Maybe this is a way for the Russians to return the favor, but in a reverse way. Cut production, drive prices way up, crash the US ecomony as quick as possible before they invade more oil rich countries.
oooh that sounds devious...I like it!

Unfortunately I do not think there's some type of geopolitical plan being executed by some Russian strategist who is also a master chess player. My theory is actually much more sedated. As the title states: "Russia hits PEAK OIL".
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 22:59:31

I started this thread to discuss the important ramifications of Russia' PO, which signals to me beyond doubt with SA also leveling off that we can unequivocally say we are going past peak worldwide (if we are not already).

[Don't even try to muddy the waters by mentioning 'all liquids'].

All we need now is for some oil exporter to suddenly realize that oil is money, and accumulating trillions of US dollars won't help much when there soon won't be enough food to go around.

Then who knows how high the price of oil will go.

[And those bikini pictures belong in a seperate discussion thread in the HOF].
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby joewp » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 01:17:59

[straightens shirt, hikes up pants]
Yes, well you're right Dante. This is a dire circumstance, and I think it's quite possible that the head of Lukoil is doing exactly what you said. How could he know one month after that the whole country has peaked? Perhaps he has realized that oil later is more precious than oil now and is making this announcement as cover for cutting back for saving for the future purposes. After all, the Saudis just admitted the same thing, and who knows what's on the minds of any of the other oil producers, even those confirmed past-peak.

I would be considering it strongly if I was an oil producer.



But we are faced with such bad news here day after day, it's just surprising and nice to see something pleasant in a thread once in a while. :oops:
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby jato » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 03:18:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')And those bikini pictures belong in a seperate discussion thread in the HOF].


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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 08:26:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')And those bikini pictures belong in a seperate discussion thread in the HOF].


Done.


Thanks. Now back to the subject:



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Russia Hits Peak Oil
Rob Mackrill - Tue 15 Apr, 2008
A Russian oil executive has admitted Russian oil production has hit a peak


Peak Oil theory gets a shot in the arm...

Russia was the new frontier for oil production a few short years ago. Not any more it seems, according to an FT report today...

Russian oil has peaked already according to Leonid Fedun, vice-president of Russian oil giant Lukoil,

10m barrels a day from the world’s number two oil producing country is as good as it gets in his lifetime he reckons. He’s 52 but given the average life expectancy of Russians that may not be too long. And it’s not going to be stable. Oil rich Western Siberia is more like Mexico and the North Sea i.e. output is sliding fast. “The period of intense oil production growth is over” claims Fedun. They’ve sucked up the oil fast and now the party’s over.

The Russian government has admitted so far to oil production growth “stagnating” but not that it has “peaked” says the FT so this is news to those less intimately familiar with Russian oil reserves. It’s a blow. In recent years, increased Russian production has helped offset the additional and growing demand from Asia and help keep a lid on the price of crude. So, if Mr Fedun right, this particular brake on the price has reached its limit. Future new production for Big Oil increasingly rests on ‘unconventional’ sources such as the 54,000 square miles of black rock that comprise the Athabasca Oil Sands in Alberta, Canada.



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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby FreakOil » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 08:46:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Toyota1', 'W')hat i know, Russia have alot of oil left, not discovered yes 8)

So if russia get investement, they can stay or even go up with there oil production :P 12,5 mill i estimate :cry:


Unfortunately, that's not true. There are deposits yet to be discovered but nothing like Samotlor. Western Siberia is the Ghawar of Russia, but it's also very old and overworked, with a heavy water cut in a lot of the fields.

The Russians had been hoping for new major discoveries in Eastern Siberia, but that hasn't panned out. Prime Minister Fradkov threatened to raise export tariffs on oil in July 2007 if the majors didn't increase their investments in surveys in Eastern Siberia, to which the Natural Resources Ministry replied, "These oil fields simply do not exist."

They were having trouble finding the capacity for the Eastern Siberia-Pacific Ocean Pipeline.

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Re: Russia hits PEAK OIL - official!

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 08:56:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
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Geological peaks are so darn rare...


Which, if true, is even more disturbing. It would seem to demonstrate that things start to fall apart (politically) even before you reach the geological peak or so soon after that we cannot know if the peak was geological?
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Re: Past Peak? - Russia's Oil Ouput to Slump in 2008

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 10:34:52

Hadn't heard about Sakhalin doing a nosedive. When was that announced?
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