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Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per gallo

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 12:45:33

Date: April 2, 2008
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SPRINGFIELD, MO. –

Don’t get him wrong. As a consumer, Dr. Tom Wyrick, professor of economics at Missouri State University, doesn’t enjoy spending $50 for a tank of gas. But as an economist, he also sees the positives associated with record-high gas prices.
This year, the price of crude oil rose to a record $100 or more per barrel. That sharp increase in price has consumers throughout the United States fearing that the price of unleaded gasoline could reach as high – or higher – than $4 per gallon come summer.

First off, Wyrick said, “I doubt if we will see $4 a gallon for unleaded gas. In the early 1980s, many people were saying that $3 per gallon was right around the corner. That took more than 20 years.”

Second, he added: “High gas prices tell us that oil is scarce. As consumers, the higher prices give us incentive to conserve the stuff. Use mass transit. Buy a house closer to work. Car pool. But the higher prices also give producers incentives to explore and find new supplies of oil and bring more to market.”

Wyrick said the United States’ economy can learn a lesson from the high gas prices of the 1970s when oil prices quadrupled and sparked a wave of innovation. “When that hit, people went out into the ocean to find oil. They went to Alaska. Nobody knows how much oil is underground. The question is: how far will we go to find it?”

Wyrick said that gasoline prices have increased an average of 2.4 percent annually since Ronald Reagan took office. “Compared to prices of other things we’re purchasing on a daily basis, that’s not bad,” he said. “But when the price changes a lot in a short period of time – like it has with gas – that attracts our attention.”

He said consumers should also be monitoring the price of food commodities such as barley, yellow corn, wheat and soybeans, Missouri’s largest crop. “Those prices are up 50-100 percent for many crops in the past year,” he said.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 12:58:38

Idle speculation, combined with an overly rosy view of the 1980s.

This will be a good thread to revisit in July. 8)
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 13:18:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')dle speculation, combined with an overly rosy view of the 1980s.

This will be a good thread to revisit in July. 8)


This would be the guy teaching my econ class.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 13:42:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')dle speculation, combined with an overly rosy view of the 1980s.

This will be a good thread to revisit in July. 8)


This would be the guy teaching my econ class.


Ask him if U.S. production increased long-term with drilling Alaska & the Gulf

Ask him if energy use per-capita GDP might be a flawed method of assessing energy efficiency.

Ask him where our energy-intensive manufacturing base went after the oil crunch.

Watch him stir! :twisted:
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 13:45:54

He is just making a judgment about the elasticity of the demand. That is still a big unknown. But I think the demand is not as elastic as he thinks it is apparently.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby PrairieMule » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 16:06:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')dle speculation, combined with an overly rosy view of the 1980s.

This will be a good thread to revisit in July. 8)


This would be the guy teaching my econ class.


Lord knows my all of my undergrad Econ proffesors were unclear on a lot the concepts. It's god's own little mystery how they function outside of acadamia.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 16:25:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')e is just making a judgment about the elasticity of the demand. That is still a big unknown. But I think the demand is not as elastic as he thinks it is apparently.


To his credit, he is correct that mass transit usage has gone up - ridership is higher than it's been in 50 years. Whether this is ultimately reducing energy demand remains to be seen. And enter Jevon, even if it is.

I like to think that it helps. :)
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 17:54:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')Wyrick said the United States’ economy can learn a lesson from the high gas prices of the 1970s when oil prices quadrupled and sparked a wave of innovation. “When that hit, people went out into the ocean to find oil. They went to Alaska. Nobody knows how much oil is underground. The question is: how far will we go to find it?”


I'd suggest he is in denial. He doesn't understand EROEI and where we are with discovery.

Typical of folks who haven't peeled back the layers yet. Also very typical of academics, especially connected with markets or economics.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby TheDude » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 18:33:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')yrick said the United States’ economy can learn a lesson from the high gas prices of the 1970s when oil prices quadrupled and sparked a wave of innovation. “When that hit, people went out into the ocean to find oil. They went to Alaska. Nobody knows how much oil is underground. The question is: how far will we go to find it?”


Some "expert." If he's an expert so am I!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'T')o his credit, he is correct that mass transit usage has gone up - ridership is higher than it's been in 50 years. Whether this is ultimately reducing energy demand remains to be seen. And enter Jevon, even if it is.


Oh, I don't see consumers maxing out MT anytime soon. We can do a lot to increase supply there. Or boost ridership. Watch how they pack 'em in like sardines in Cuba: Riders "board" a camel bus.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 19:32:12

As was noted in another thread, US oil demand fell by nearly 500,000 barrels per day last quarter.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby Gandalf_the_White » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 23:48:26

Look at how it works though. PTB fear loss of hegemony, try to keep impending crisis under wraps until miracle cure arrives. In the mean time keep plenty of half cogniscent Phd's in the fridge to be popped open like an Old Milwaukee every few months or so.

The Fed may make the statement I am about to make a reality.

If I had a dollar for every economist who thought free markets were the answer to every problem I'd be...

The guy is basically sticking his erect economics 101 textbook in our faces and philosophizing while envisioning Adam Smith's hair blowing in the breeze.

There must be a special level of hell for economists. It's somewhere between pride and ignorance.

Hey that's why they call him cracker jack!
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 00:42:46

Expert should come to San Francisco where everything except regular unleaded is already over $4 per gallon. My 'benchmark' station is at $3.97 for regular today.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 00:43:10

There is no class of people so disconnected and decoupled from reality than academic economists.

They have created a pseudo-scientific bubble (which resembles more a religion than anything to do with the sciences). They have climbed in to the bubble and they are not coming out for any reason. They have coined all sorts of esoteric nomenclature in an attempt to legitimize their 'science.' They have co-opted mathematicians in a further attempt to dazzle laymen with their pretentious and 'complex' theories.

If you peel back the layers upon layers of superfluous muck economists have shielded themselves with. You will find at the core, a primitive cargo cult. As long as you believe, the goods will keep flowing, in ever greater quantities.

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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby Ayoob » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 00:54:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')s was noted in another thread, US oil demand fell by nearly 500,000 barrels per day last quarter.


Or, did imports drop by 500,000 barrels per day and it's reported as a drop in demand?

Prices went up like a motherfucker and people still bought their gas, didn't they.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 02:16:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I')t's god's own little mystery how they function outside of acadamia.


I think it's quite clear that if they could function outside of acadamia, they would be getting rich on Wall Street, not teaching.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby Kylon » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 06:43:49

As the old saying goes


"Those who can do, those who can't teach".

I don't know how true it is, but it certainly seems true in this fellows case.
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby vision-master » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 09:58:22

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')osted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Another Gasoline Record

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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 17:33:12

He decided to enlighten us in class today with another piece of wisdom.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e will definetly not enter a recession, and we are just looking at small economic slow down. That by this time next year, the dow will be at an all new record and gas will be back below $2.00 per barrel


I paid $528.00 to take this class + I had to buy a $112.00 text book. Plus I attend this class 3(50 minute) classes a week for the last 12 weeks.

I have paid $640.00 + wasted 2.5 hours x 12 x (I believe my time to be worth at the minimum of $12.00 per hour. = $360.00 not counting to and from.

So this guy has cost me at the very minimum $1000.00 to find out he is retarded.


@Gandalf_the_White -- You are right, he said as much in class. (I think his exact words were something like )

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') would go gay for Adam Smith
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 20:19:04

I would tell him so, but have some facts. Wait, your a chicken so you won't say anything. You sure wouldn't want to be known as a trouble maker now, would you.............
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Re: Expert does not believe unleaded gas will reach $4 per g

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 20:54:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') would tell him so, but have some facts. Wait, your a chicken so you won't say anything. You sure wouldn't want to be known as a trouble maker now, would you.............


I already am the trouble maker.
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