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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby gnm » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 12:32:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')ould White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?


Google "Ukraine famine" smarty.... Or are they not white enough for you?

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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Byron100 » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 12:56:38

One thing I could never understand about the Irish Potato Famine is why those people didn't go on riot and seek to kill off the rich assholes that refused to get food out to the people instead of shipping it off to England? I mean, if you're starving (and dying), you literally have *nothing* to lose. And dying from a bullet to the head is a whole lot more merciful than enduring weeks of extremely painful starvation.

When it comes to the end game, it's just better to end it fast by way of a scorched-earth policy...just burn it all down and end it right then and there. What's the point of suffering if there's no hope for the future?
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby big_rc » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 13:21:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')ould White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?


Dude, this is not a color thing. Nations all over the globe are expericing riots and major disorder. Just because it hasn't happened in more developed countries does not mean it will not.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby FreakOil » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 13:23:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'W')hen it comes to the end game, it's just better to end it fast by way of a scorched-earth policy...just burn it all down and end it right then and there. What's the point of suffering if there's no hope for the future?


Is that what we should do? :wink:
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby sittinguy » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 14:16:24

So when will a cigarette lighter be considered a WMD?
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 16:11:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'O')ne thing I could never understand about the Irish Potato Famine is why those people didn't go on riot and seek to kill off the rich assholes that refused to get food out to the people instead of shipping it off to England?


Not everyone becomes raving maniacs in times of crisis.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Byron100 » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 16:43:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'O')ne thing I could never understand about the Irish Potato Famine is why those people didn't go on riot and seek to kill off the rich assholes that refused to get food out to the people instead of shipping it off to England?


Not everyone becomes raving maniacs in times of crisis.


What are people supposed to do then, just sit back and starve to death all nice and quiet-like?

If a population is going to die, they might as well as do it in the grandest style possible...scorched earth all the way, baby! :-D
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Pretorian » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 16:48:37

Does anyone remember what i was saying about Tshtf? I was always saying that it will start on small island nations. Then you will see it on other islands, then in some asian and african countries. Very soon you will start counting pounds of rice you could have bought instead of that cup of Starbucks you bought in 1999. I am surprised it came this fast though.

PS well they still not very hungry if they riot. When they will be really hungry they will look like this



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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby FoxV » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 17:12:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'L')et them eat cake!

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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Pretorian » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 17:46:07

its going to be pretty bad. i hope they won't suffer for too long.

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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Dreamtwister » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 17:50:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sittinguy', 'S')o when will a cigarette lighter be considered a WMD?


The war nerd wrote an article about fire a while back. Good read.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby FreakOil » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 01:26:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'O')ne thing I could never understand about the Irish Potato Famine is why those people didn't go on riot and seek to kill off the rich assholes that refused to get food out to the people instead of shipping it off to England?


Not everyone becomes raving maniacs in times of crisis.


What are people supposed to do then, just sit back and starve to death all nice and quiet-like?

If a population is going to die, they might as well as do it in the grandest style possible...scorched earth all the way, baby! :-D


The physiological and psychological effects of starvation may prevent this from happening. But people have gone apeshit in times of crisis. French revolution, Russian revolution. I think its going to play out differently in different places.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was always saying that it will start on small island nations.


Island nations tend to really on fishing as a major source of food and income. Fishermen have to travel farther and farther from port to get a decent catch due to depletion of local fisheries, burning up more and more deisel on each trip. One deisel shortage, no fish, no dinner.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby The_Virginian » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 02:04:51

island nations can supplement food with fishing...and SAILS still work...at least they do for me.

I have no clue how good the fishing is off port au Prince...(likely depleted).

Fish (lean protein) is almost always a supplement to a staple crop (carbo) and some fat (veggy oil)...think rabbit starvation. (not enough FAT).

It is sad indeed...things are just beginning...
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby dorlomin » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:42:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'O')ne thing I could never understand about the Irish Potato Famine is why those people didn't go on riot and seek to kill off the rich assholes that refused to get food out to the people instead of shipping it off to England? I mean, if you're starving (and dying), you literally have *nothing* to lose. And dying from a bullet to the head is a whole lot more merciful than enduring weeks of extremely painful starvation.
Because Ireland was a fortified garrison occupied by a large army that was not going hungry. There were outlets to America or the work projects for those who could get up and go and there had been a large number of rebellions that had been brutaly supressed so many of those who would have led such a rebellion had been killed or imprisoned.

If Haiti was crawling with US army troops would there be riots, troops not constrained by modern rules of engagement?

Even then hunger drove desperate people to desperate measures.

Not that all went gentle into that good night.
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The people of Haiti are hungry they still have the energy to riot. When they are in the grips of famine, they will have not energy to riot.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby dorlomin » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:43:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Virginian', 'i')sland nations can supplement food with fishing...and SAILS still work...at least they do for me.

I have no clue how good the fishing is off port au Prince...(likely depleted).

Fish (lean protein) is almost always a supplement to a staple crop (carbo) and some fat (veggy oil)...think rabbit starvation. (not enough FAT).

It is sad indeed...things are just beginning...
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby vision-master » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 10:50:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big_rc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')ould White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?


Dude, this is not a color thing. Nations all over the globe are expericing riots and major disorder. Just because it hasn't happened in more developed countries does not mean it will not.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')lacks, a racial minority in America, are disproportionately represented among both violent crime offenders and victims. For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S.
population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns.
For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders and 84 percent of White murder victims were killed by White offenders (Department of Justice
[DOJ], 1993, p. 17).

In addition, violent crime is typically perpetrated by young males. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reports that in 1993, males were disproportionately represented among persons arrested for murder (91 percent), and aggravated assault (90 percent). Recent reviews of findings regarding persons arrested for murder clearly indicate that fatal criminal violence tends to involve young males. For example, in 1993, 77 percent of persons arrested for murder were between the ages 15 and 34. Regarding the modal age range of murder victims, the FBI reports that in 1993, 48 percent were aged 20 through 34 years (DOJ, 1993, p.
14,17).

Mortality data compiled by the National Center for Health Statistics are another major source of data that describe the prevalence of violence among Blacks. In the most recent statistics
available, the National Center for Health Statistics reports that in 1991, death rates for homicide were eight times as high for Black males (72.5 per 100,000) as for White males (9.4 per 100,000) and nearly five times as high for Black females (13.9 per 100,000) as for White females (3.0 per 100,000) (1994).


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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby big_rc » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 20:26:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big_rc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')ould White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?


Dude, this is not a color thing. Nations all over the globe are expericing riots and major disorder. Just because it hasn't happened in more developed countries does not mean it will not.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')lacks, a racial minority in America, are disproportionately represented among both violent crime offenders and victims. For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S.
population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns.
For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders and 84 percent of White murder victims were killed by White offenders (Department of Justice
[DOJ], 1993, p. 17).

In addition, violent crime is typically perpetrated by young males. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reports that in 1993, males were disproportionately represented among persons arrested for murder (91 percent), and aggravated assault (90 percent). Recent reviews of findings regarding persons arrested for murder clearly indicate that fatal criminal violence tends to involve young males. For example, in 1993, 77 percent of persons arrested for murder were between the ages 15 and 34. Regarding the modal age range of murder victims, the FBI reports that in 1993, 48 percent were aged 20 through 34 years (DOJ, 1993, p.
14,17).

Mortality data compiled by the National Center for Health Statistics are another major source of data that describe the prevalence of violence among Blacks. In the most recent statistics
available, the National Center for Health Statistics reports that in 1991, death rates for homicide were eight times as high for Black males (72.5 per 100,000) as for White males (9.4 per 100,000) and nearly five times as high for Black females (13.9 per 100,000) as for White females (3.0 per 100,000) (1994).


http://www.dvinstitute.org/conferences/ ... lliam1.pdf


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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Pretorian » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 20:41:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('big_rc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')ould White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?


Dude, this is not a color thing. Nations all over the globe are expericing riots and major disorder. Just because it hasn't happened in more developed countries does not mean it will not.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')lacks, a racial minority in America, are disproportionately represented among both violent crime offenders and victims. For example, while Blacks constituted 12 percent of the U.S.
population in 1993, in that same year they represented 58 percent of persons arrested for murder, 41 percent arrested for rape, 62 percent arrested for robbery, and 40 percent arrested for aggravated assault (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1994, p. 235). Arrest data also indicate that violent crime, especially murders, involve intraracial victim–offender relationship patterns.
For example, in 1993, 94 percent of Black murder victims were killed by Black offenders and 84 percent of White murder victims were killed by White offenders (Department of Justice
[DOJ], 1993, p. 17).

In addition, violent crime is typically perpetrated by young males. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reports that in 1993, males were disproportionately represented among persons arrested for murder (91 percent), and aggravated assault (90 percent). Recent reviews of findings regarding persons arrested for murder clearly indicate that fatal criminal violence tends to involve young males. For example, in 1993, 77 percent of persons arrested for murder were between the ages 15 and 34. Regarding the modal age range of murder victims, the FBI reports that in 1993, 48 percent were aged 20 through 34 years (DOJ, 1993, p.
14,17).

Mortality data compiled by the National Center for Health Statistics are another major source of data that describe the prevalence of violence among Blacks. In the most recent statistics
available, the National Center for Health Statistics reports that in 1991, death rates for homicide were eight times as high for Black males (72.5 per 100,000) as for White males (9.4 per 100,000) and nearly five times as high for Black females (13.9 per 100,000) as for White females (3.0 per 100,000) (1994).


http://www.dvinstitute.org/conferences/ ... lliam1.pdf


Negroidal tendency for crime has nothing to do with ability of any nation or subspecie to riot in case of food shortage. May be the breaking point is closer there, no more than that.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby bodigami » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 21:00:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', '(')...)
The question still remains, however. How much longer will it be before we see this sort of thing in first world countries, such as the US and the UK?


It's interesting you mention USA and UK, because I think those 2 will be the first "developed" countries to experience TSHTF. '09 through '12 we may see many countries "shitted"... but it's karma, we're responsible for crapping our environment.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 21:26:54

According to CNN this morning, the riots were tipped off by the high price of rice, beans, and biodiesel, errmm..I mean cooking oil.
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