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THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Postby Jack » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 17:40:24

Sounds like an accurate model of the fast-crash post-Peak world!

It occurs to me that when Peak Oil hits, the number of boats from Haiti and other such venues will increase markedly. One cannot but wonder what we in the U.S. will do...
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Postby Yavicleus » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 17:40:39

It's like a sneak preview of things to come all over the world. :?
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Postby Jack » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 18:19:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Yavicleus', 'I')t's like a sneak preview of things to come all over the world. :?


Yes...but probably in the third world first. And for the U.S., that means a tidal wave of desperate (and desperately poor) people.

Now the question is, will our political leadership have the determination to seal the borders, or will we be overwhelmed?
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Is Haiti a preview of US cities and suburbs?

Postby Little pig » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 21:08:01

My first thought was not of boat loads of foreigners invading the US, but rather refugees from places in the US without food invading places in the US with food.

Will those with food need to close down the borders between urban and rural as Jack has suggested would be appropriate for foreigners? And who might be brave enough to deliver food to urban areas? Years ago I talked with a long haul trucker who would not even consider going into New York City because of theft, and that was in normal times, so what will happen in desperate times?

I suggest is is a very big danger that the US will suffer food and water shortages just as much or more so than the rest of the world, should Richard Duncan's view become reality.
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Re: Is Haiti a preview of US cities and suburbs?

Postby Jack » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 21:29:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Little pig', 'M')y first thought was not of boat loads of foreigners invading the US, but rather refugees from places in the US without food invading places in the US with food.


It's an interesting possibility. I've read that global warming could reduce rain and snowfall in the western U.S., resulting in a substantial reduction of food production. Add in problems with transporting food, and lots of nasty possibilities open up.

One point I keep harping on is that the isolated self-sufficient farm is incredibly dangerous. If we get hungry refugees - probably well armed hungry refugees - those little farmsteads will add a whole new dimension to "buying the farm".

On transporting supplies into cities, I think we'll see convoys protected by the military. We see how effective that is in a certain Middle Eastern country.... :cry:
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My take on rural safety

Postby Little pig » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 23:16:14

I lived the first 35 years of my life in urban areas and 25 years ago moved out to a rural area and here are my observations based on my personal experience.

I had many misconceptions about country life. I thought that there would be annominity in the country, but the opposite was true. It is hard not to be known or to learn about others and movements around the country side are more easily observed than in cities. Lots of people work on their property and are around to notice. If a strange car goes down a back road it is not long before someone is investigating.

Neighbors help neighbors, and any sort of breakdown would make neighbors band together even more. Consider that most rural homes are small arsenals because hunting is a big deal. Consider also that people in the courntry are intimately familiar with the lay of the land while strangers would be lost and frightened.

The idea I am trying to convey is that a backwoods abode does not place one in isolation subject to easy plunder by bands of looters, but rather places one in a much safer environment where unwelcome thugs would face a much greater danger.
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Postby Specop_007 » Fri 24 Sep 2004, 23:56:31

Guns are bad mmmmkay. :razz:

I'm just absolutely drooling thinking about the stories we're going to hear about people getting looted in unarmed countires.
I'll just sit back, chuckle, clean my rifles and whisper
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THE Haiti Thread (merged)

Postby Novus » Wed 09 Apr 2008, 22:02:49

From the BBC
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Haiti Rocked by Food Riots The protests actually started on Monday.

But Tuesday was when the protests really escalated. I noticed no activity on the streets. There is normally a little market, cars - there was nothing, just the occasional motorcycle. People were protesting about massive hikes in the price of food.

There was a general atmosphere of disorganisation, I saw people running in panic all over the place. They seemed to be running away from the main crowd. We didn't really know what was going on.

It was only later in the day that we were told by our security people that we had to leave everything because the main protest was going to pass us. They were coming up our street of our office building and might have guns. You can see the poverty in Haiti. It's really obvious. When I first arrived in Haiti during the elections of 2007, I noticed the lack of trees here. Every hill seems to have been stripped bare down to its surface and trees seem to have been replaced by shanty towns.

Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere and in a state of extreme overshoot. It is a modern day Easter Island ripe for a massive die-off.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby roccman » Wed 09 Apr 2008, 22:38:44

The noose tightens...
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby HEADER_RACK » Wed 09 Apr 2008, 22:49:33

Let them eat cake!
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby auscanman » Wed 09 Apr 2008, 22:50:06

I wouldn't want to be going on holiday in the Dominican Republic with what's going on next door in Haiti. Desperate people such as the Haitians can do crazy things. I wonder how they're going to prevent hungry Haitian masses from spilling over the border.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Opies » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 01:54:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', 'I') wouldn't want to be going on holiday in the Dominican Republic with what's going on next door in Haiti. Desperate people such as the Haitians can do crazy things. I wonder how they're going to prevent hungry Haitian masses from spilling over the border.


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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Novus » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 02:11:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Opies', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', 'I') wouldn't want to be going on holiday in the Dominican Republic with what's going on next door in Haiti. Desperate people such as the Haitians can do crazy things. I wonder how they're going to prevent hungry Haitian masses from spilling over the border.


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Actually the mountain range that separates Haiti from the Dominican Republic is quite formidable with many peaks over 10,000 feet. There are few passable roads which of course are gated with guards and guns. For all practical purposes Haiti and them Dominica Republic might as well be separate islands with a 100 miles of open sea between them.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby manu » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 03:23:29

The Die off begins.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Zardoz » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 03:40:56

Hungry mob attacks Haiti palace

Look on the right side of that page. There are several articles about the food crunch.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'T')he Dieoff begins.

It's really starting to look like it.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby manu » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 03:46:56

Yea, and notice its from BBC not some doomer site. So keep your doors locked and your guns cocked because the karma has hit the fan. GYO. Food that is.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby mos6507 » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 04:07:48

Zombie hordes in the land that gave them their name. How appropriate.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby sciencegirl » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 10:33:33

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The next couple years are going to be very rough. Food prices everywhere are going up like crazy, and I enjoy eating.

For every 40lb bag of rice I hoard I know that I am killing others, but what can I do, it's either them or me.
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby Byron100 » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 12:03:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7337792.stm]Hungry mob attacks Haiti palace[/url]

Look on the right side of that page. There are several articles about the food crunch.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('manu', 'T')he Dieoff begins.

It's really starting to look like it.


Now, this is the kind of thing I want to see. :twisted:

If we're going to have a dieoff, I wanna see those who live in palaces be burned out and be made to suffer just like the starving mobs on the street.

The question still remains, however. How much longer will it be before we see this sort of thing in first world countries, such as the US and the UK?
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Re: Haiti Rocked by Food Riots

Postby vision-master » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 12:11:27

Would White people in Scandinavia Countires ever lower themselves to such behavior?
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