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No bread on the shelves

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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby Concerned » Tue 11 Mar 2008, 17:47:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', 'I') own everything I've got and have done so since I was 24.


The bank owns 20% of my home.

I'm soooooo happy to be paying back those dreamed up fractional dollars at interest.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby MarkJames » Tue 11 Mar 2008, 18:10:33

I own all my properties. My tenants pay property taxes as well, it's included in the rent.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby vision-master » Tue 11 Mar 2008, 18:15:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MarkJames', 'I') own all my properties. My tenants pay property taxes as well, it's included in the rent.


slum-lord.......
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby Jenab6 » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 00:36:20

If there's no bread on the shelves, buy a 100 pound bag of wheat at the animal feed store, winnow it in the breeze to shake out chaff and dust, pack in plastic trash bag and set bag inside plastic tub.

To prepare a very large meal, or a part of three meals, scoop out a cup of wheat and soak it in water for 24 hours. Then strain off the water, rinse the wheat grains, and soak them in fresh water. After another 24 hours, they should be sprouted 1/16 to 1/8 inch and are ready for eating. You can eat straight for a salad-like dish, or mix with soup or stew.

For bread, don't soak. Grind the dry grains into flour and use just as you would store-bought whole wheat flour.

There are other ways to get flour. Some wild plants, such as certain grasses, and goldenrod, have seeds that can be ground into an edible flour.

You can also get starchy tubers (e.g. potato, arrowhead). Parsnip grows wild (YELLOW flowers, NOT white!). You can make teas from coltsfoot, violet, clover, comfrey, wild strawberry, mint, sassafras root... lots of things. You can make coffee substitute by roasting the roots of dandelion, chicory, and other stuff I don't remember off the top of my head. Lambs quarter, wild lettuce, nettles, young poke shoots, and lots of other plants can be eaten as greens.

I've got some "eat a forest for dinner" books and this year I'm going to see how many of those edible plants I can find in my yard and in the woods around it. I've got lots of Staghorn sumac shrubs around me, and I recently learned how to use them to make pink faux lemonade.

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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby patience » Wed 26 Mar 2008, 14:57:30

Wheat crop is about 5" to 6" high in the back lot, grain mill in the basement. Grain mill can run on 110 v., gasoline, or hand crank. LP in tanks, and gas stove, cast iron cookware, bacon grease, and stashed baking powder, plus wood stove and the whole nine yards to make it sustainable. There WILL be bread on MY shelves. And I have good reason to believe that I will continue to have it. I've been called a lot of things, but hungry wasn't one of them.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Wed 26 Mar 2008, 15:44:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'W')heat crop is about 5" to 6" high in the back lot, grain mill in the
basement. Grain mill can run on 110 v., gasoline, or hand crank. LP in
tanks, and gas stove, cast iron cookware, bacon grease, and stashed
baking powder, plus wood stove and the whole nine yards to make it
sustainable. There WILL be bread on MY shelves. And I have good
reason to believe that I will continue to have it. I've been called a lot
of things, but hungry wasn't one of them.
I'd call you cool, cause that setup sounds darn cool to me! 8)
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby patience » Wed 26 Mar 2008, 19:49:11

Somebody said, "Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement." Maybe we overdo it a bit, but we've seen hard times before. My uncle learned to plant a wide variety of stuff in the garden after the Great Depression when he had the mistfortune to have nothing but turnips for a while. He said, "You can get REAL tired of turnips, three times a day."

Once when I was a kid we sold out the old laying hens to the cannery, and being hard up, we filled the freezer with chicken before the truck came to get 'em. I ate mostly chicken for most of a year, and I still don't care for it much.

I'm afraid that a number of posters here haven't had such experiences, but, to their credit, they are prepping anyway! Don't listen to the naysayers. You probably aren't overdoing anything.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 18:14:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GASMON', '"')If the peasants have no bread, then let them eat cake"

Marie-Antoinette (1755-93), the Queen consort of Louis XVI of France
Not unlike our leaders today... :roll:

Giuliani Stumped Over Price Of Milk, Bread
"A gallon of milk is probably about a $1.50" - Rudy Giuliani
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/rudy.giuli ... 43502.html
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby Pops » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 19:10:14

There will always be bread on some shelves.

The deal is the gaining ability to stock your shelf by a means you can sustain.


Way back there was a saying:

Life is like a Shit Sandwich:

The more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.



A cute remembrance today...
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 19:54:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'W')ay back there was a saying:

Life is like a Shit Sandwich:

The more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
More bread please... :lol:

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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby mommy22 » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 22:20:28

Poor Marie...always taken out of context...
The reason that she said that is because at the time, the law was that if the local bakers ran out of bread, people could purchase cake at the same price of bread..the bakers ran out of bread for a period of time, and so...she said..."Let them eat cake!"
Hmmm...maybe we should look into that law a bit more closely...is thee anything like that in modern life?
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 22:49:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mommy22', 'P')oor Marie...always taken out of context...
The reason that she said that is because at the time, the law was that if the local bakers ran out of bread, people could purchase cake at the same price of bread..the bakers ran out of bread for a period of time, and so...she said..."Let them eat cake!"
Hmmm...maybe we should look into that law a bit more closely...is thee anything like that in modern life?


Of course the peasants did take off her head which suggests:

A) they still had some gripe with the social system which left them with need and without hope (those who rebelled would have gotten worse than having their heads lopped off if the royals had suppressed the uprising).

B) "Poor Marie" was still out of touch with the reality of the impact of the social system on her "subjects." "So let them eat cake..." even when we understand the context, remains a condescending statement of an elite unaware of the impact of the spending of the state on its people.
http://www.thenewfederalistpapers.com
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby midnight-gamer » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:11:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ay back there was a saying:

Life is like a Shit Sandwich:

The more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.
More bread please... Laughing


Damn you 8O ... I spit coffee all over my carpet when I read this. That was the first, and hopefully last time I will do that.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:28:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('midnight-gamer', 'D')amn you 8O ... I spit coffee all over my carpet when I read this.

Here, let me pour you another cup... :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Civet Coffee

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Kopi Luwak (pronounced [kopi luwak]) or Civet coffee is coffee made
from coffee berries which have been eaten by and passed through the
digestive tract of the Asian Palm Civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus).
The civets eat the berries, but the beans inside pass through their
system undigested. This process takes place on the islands of
Sumatra, Java and Sulawesi in the Indonesian Archipelago, and in the
Philippines (where the product is called Kape Alamid).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby cube » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 03:34:04

That's actually good coffee I had it once.
A little pricey but it should be on everybody's "things to try before you die" list.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 09:25:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'T')hat's actually good coffee I had it once.
A little pricey but it should be on everybody's "things to try before you die" list.
More bread please... :lol:
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby Pops » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 14:11:40

I know this isn't lost on the Oldster-Posters, but just for clarification, back in the Day; bread was slang for money.

More bread, please!
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: No bread on the shelves

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 19:35:39

Speaking of archaic, I want more salt too! :-D

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i30.tinypic.com/2vltrq1.jpg[/img]

At one time soldiers in ancient Rome were paid, in part,
with a ration of salt called a solarium, from the Latin word
sal (which means salt). If a soldier's performance was not up to
standard, that soldier was said to be "not worth his salt."

Later, when salt was replaced with an actual money allowance
to buy the salt, the allowance itself was called a solarium.
Eventually, solarium came to mean the wages themselves,
and this led to our calling one's pay a salary.

http://www.bitesizecanada.org/cause_32.htm

Mmm, this is making me hungry...
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