[FreakOil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'I')f you read the article you would realise that the reporter actually used the term "peak oil" ... not the CEO of GM.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'I')f you read the article you would realise that the reporter actually used the term "peak oil" ... not the CEO of GM.

[FreakOil]

Aha! Maybe the world isn't such a crappy, stupid place after all.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', 'A')ha! Maybe the world isn't such a crappy, stupid place after all.

[TheDude]

Wagoner is calling for a switchover to EVs.

The tiny size of the US EV fleet:



To put this in perspective, I cropped the image to show only the AFV fleet for 2005, giving an image height of 1.4" for 600K vehicles. To illustrate the size of the ca. 135 million vehicles used for commuting in the US would require a bar 26.25 feet (8 meters) long.

Admittedly a rough figure, and a lot of people do carpool/use MT etc. Still! There are 243 million registered vehicles in the US total. EVs have a lot of catching up to do if they are to replace the current liquid fueled Happy Motoring.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'I')f you read the article you would realise that the reporter actually used the term "peak oil" ... not the CEO of GM.

[UncoveringTruths]

[PenultimateManStanding]

Ball scrubbers. heh heh. How's this?

[Plantagenet]

New studies show that carbon soot is a major cause of climate warming, and that diesel fuel used widely in cars in the EU and in Asia is a major cause of Greenhouse Warming

diesel fuel causes Greenhouse Warming

Hopefully the negotiations following on the new Bali Treaty will address the carbon soot problem caused by diesel fuel.

I hope the EU and countries in Asia and elsewhere that rely on diesel fuel for cars will move to greatly reduce or ban the use of diesel fuel in cars, in order to reduce their carbon soot production and mitigate the dangerous effects of climate change that is affecting people everywhere else on the globe.

[Plantagenet]

India and China are MAJOR producers of black soot.

--Because of the combination of high absorption, a regional distribution roughly aligned with solar irradiance, and the capacity to form widespread atmospheric brown clouds in a mixture with other aerosols, emissions of black carbon are the second strongest contribution to current global warming, after carbon dioxide emissions.

—“Global and regional climate changes due to black carbon”

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widespread atmospheric brown clouds in a mixture with other aerosols, .... that really sounds like China

[bodigami]

Who said diesel doesn't cause climate change? afterall it's based on fossil fuels... (I hope) there's no one on this forum that truly believe that diesel transportation is "green".

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'W')ho said diesel doesn't cause climate change? afterall it's based on fossil fuels... (I hope) there's no one on this forum that truly believe that diesel transportation is "green".

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '(')...)
Diesel engines should be banned immediately in all cars in the EU and elsewhere.

[Ainan]

Is it true UK refinery's crack brent crude for diesel rather than petroleum? I have noticed more diesel cars about and the price of diesel has shot up to about £1.10 a litre, 10p more than petrol, a bigger difference than in the past.

[Plantagenet]

If you are worried about the environment, then ditch the diesel cars---they cause more greenhouse warming than gasoline powered cars.

[Plantagenet]

I HATE the new VW ad campaign.

The TV ads show an old VeeWee interviewing various celebrities. The ad pitch is that VW cars use "clean diesel."

CLEAN DIESEL!!!!---there is no such fucking thing as clean diesel.

The newest science shows that diesel cars and trucks are WORSE then other cars and trucks for the environment. Diesel causes more Greenhouse warming, not less.

GGgggrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

scientists show diesel cars hurt the environment more then cars using other kinds of fuel---Grrrr

[Graeme]

Leanan has already posted this story on the front page but I would like to repeat it here because I think it sums up why there is the breadth of opinion from members posting on this board.

Evolution, Global Warming, Doomsday and the Afterlife

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') recently wrote a book partially treating evolution and the afterlife, and an earlier one analyzing global warming and possible doomsdays, and have lately been busy reading up, responding to and organizing virtual discussion forums on the economic collapse, peak oil, global warming and doomsday. The participants tend to be the more scholarly facet of our society and hardly represent the masses. Yet, many of them have devoted their professional lives to these subjects and are the best and brightest, so their views are important and can't be totally discarded.

I would say something like 10% to 20% of this eclectic group actually believe the combined crush of the economic collapse, peak oil and global warming will be so severe that society as we know it will NEVER recover, our lifestyles will be seriously compromised and survival could become a life-or-death issue. Some have purchased land and are initiating self-reliant communities. There are blogs to prepare individuals living in these uncertain times. A few of my friends are actually looking forward to this new kind of adventure. Most in this forum, though, are like me, in that we rather enjoy our current mode of life, but are beginning to get mildly concerned.

Anyway, how can anyone get so traumatized by this latest series of existing and potential catastrophes, for in the 70's we muddled through the population bomb, limits to growth, potential nuclear winter, the Vietnam War, acid rain and two energy crises...and somehow recovered. In fact, nearly two decades after the Second Energy Crisis, crude oil in 1998 fell to the lowest on historical record ($15.52/barrel in 2008 dollars, even lower than the $18.29 of 1972), and there was nothing government, academics or politics did to orchestrate this drop. Further, another decade later the United States is now supremely unchallenged and oil is heading back to almost historic lows. Nuclear holocaust? Iran and North Korea will not precipitate a World War 3. Aside for this inconvenient economic collapse, things seem generally okay today.

[threadbear]

Aside from an inconvenient economic collapse, things seem okay? Oh dear.

[Narz]

Not a lot of content there...

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[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'N')ot a lot of content there...

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