by mekrob » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 12:15:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he message that reverberated around the world is that the ocean is not a playground for human indulgence and all indiscretions will be dealt with swift justice.
Swift justice? We've been raping the oceans for decades with commercial fishing with little or no hesitation and many stocks are near their end. And a stingray kills a single person and that's justice? It took decades for this to happen and it's swift?
We have radically different ideas of swiftness and justice.
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by billg » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 13:55:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he message that reverberated around the world is that the ocean is not a playground for human indulgence and all indiscretions will be dealt with swift justice.
Swift justice? We've been raping the oceans for decades with commercial fishing with little or no hesitation and many stocks are near their end. And a stingray kills a single person and that's justice? It took decades for this to happen and it's swift?
We have radically different ideas of swiftness and justice.
Well, on a geological time scale, humans are about to be dealt a swift blow that they won't easily recover from. The oceans are about to rise up and pummel their plunderers. The heroic flying spotted eagle ray is simply a harbinger of dark times to come.
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by steam_cannon » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 20:27:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'W')ell, on a geological time scale, humans are about to be dealt a
swift blow that they won't easily recover from. The oceans are
about to rise up and pummel their plunderers. The heroic flying
spotted eagle ray is simply a harbinger of dark times to come.
There is some truth to this, however the way you say it, it sounds
like you are happy people will be suffering (though do to their own folly).
You come off sounding like you simply don't care for people.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', '[')b]steamcannon wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o, I'd say the sports fishermen care about the fish a lot more then the
purely profit driven fishing companies.
If your sole purpose is to catch and then release fish for fun, then I
think that is psychotic behavior. The fish has just swallowed a hook
(happens often), fought for its life for half an hour, then the line is
cut leaving it to die a slow painful death. "Caring" is hardly the right word.
If you are fisherman, you are quite aware of some of the awful
sounds that fish can make when they are in pain (like the grunting
of a catfish and the screech of a stingray).
That's a very dramatic view you have. Personally I really don't care
about the sounds fish make. And though I prefer to cook fish, I still
think fishermen who throw some of them back to die still are more
concerned about continuing their practice then corporate fisheries.
Speaking of drama, lets not forget the suffering of the worms too.
Impaled and slowly drowned while having pieces nibbled off.
And just imagine the suffering of worms in a compost toilet!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')She felt that the worms were being unfairly treated, being
expected to deal with human faeces, and that it could affect them in
a psychological way," Bell told the newspaper.
"I said, 'Well, what do I do about that?' and she said, 'You have to
have someone with the necessary qualifications to say the worms are happy'."
http://outonawimb.blogspot.com/2007/12/ ... worms.html
by billg » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 22:29:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'T')here is some truth to this, however the way you say it, it sounds like you are happy people will be suffering (though do to their own folly). You come off sounding like you simply don't care for people.
I don't care for the plundering.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')And just imagine the suffering of worms in a compost toilet!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')She felt that the worms were being unfairly treated, being
expected to deal with human faeces, and that it could affect them in
a psychological way," Bell told the newspaper. "I said, 'Well, what do I do about that?' and she said, 'You have to have someone with the necessary qualifications to say the worms are happy'."
Well, I'm a big composting toilet and vermicomposting advocate. I have spent many hours cleaning out humanure from large composting toilet chambers. I actually inoculated one of the chambers with red wigglers. I can testify that those worms looked pretty damn happy.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')eriously, don't waste your time trying to save every fly, every
worm, and every fish. Thinking that way is a problem.