part of that went to my salary.
so in a roundabout way, that huge project helped me
prepare for Peak Oil/ Energy Transition.
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F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by pedalling_faster » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 16:55:05
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Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by The_Toecutter » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 17:35:41
One trillion eh?
$400 million could design, develop, test, market, and get the machine tools needed to mass produce an affordable long range midsize EV for a small company like Tesla.
$200 billion could get rapid charge infrastructure all over the entire United States so that long distance travel by electric car becomes practical.
$400 billion could buy one hell of a mass transit system for every major city in the U.S.
$400 billion could get installed roughly 250 GW installed peak capacity worth of wind generators.
...and here we waste it on airplanes.
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$400 million could design, develop, test, market, and get the machine tools needed to mass produce an affordable long range midsize EV for a small company like Tesla.
$200 billion could get rapid charge infrastructure all over the entire United States so that long distance travel by electric car becomes practical.
$400 billion could buy one hell of a mass transit system for every major city in the U.S.
$400 billion could get installed roughly 250 GW installed peak capacity worth of wind generators.
...and here we waste it on airplanes.
Gir can sing it best...
Video: peakoil.com's unofficial mascot sings "The Doom Song"
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Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by Anthrobus » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 18:49:16
Is the united states death star already in development and how much is the baby supposed do cost?
Has the ultimate weapon to be a thing of ultimate technology?
What about moral leadership? too expensive?
All this talk of billions and trillions recently makes me lose my sense for scale. Logarithmic thinking. Money is of no concern if the sums are just large enough. Just one measly trillion? come one folks!
Has the ultimate weapon to be a thing of ultimate technology?
What about moral leadership? too expensive?
All this talk of billions and trillions recently makes me lose my sense for scale. Logarithmic thinking. Money is of no concern if the sums are just large enough. Just one measly trillion? come one folks!
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Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by EnergyUnlimited » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 04:44:45
So what if ground defenses around a world will also begin to rely on lasers?
If it may be possible to fit 100kW laser on board of fighter plane, then it is certainly possible to build 1-5 MW laser based antiaircraft defenses.
Keeping devices small would not be so important, so simpler technology could be used.
Such installations would make a concept of military aircraft to be an obsolete one, unless it is operated in cloudy days where lasers are of no use.
If it may be possible to fit 100kW laser on board of fighter plane, then it is certainly possible to build 1-5 MW laser based antiaircraft defenses.
Keeping devices small would not be so important, so simpler technology could be used.
Such installations would make a concept of military aircraft to be an obsolete one, unless it is operated in cloudy days where lasers are of no use.
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Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by jboogy » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 15:20:41
Zardoz wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m absolutely positive that you don't comprehend the very basic concept that we can't wait around and see if the Russians or Chinese come up with something that does warrant it.
Your basic concept is flawed, Zardoz. I contend our ICBM's mean we absolutely can wait around and see what they come up with, the security of the North American continent will never be threatened by conventional, governmental forces again. The ability to destroy aggressors completely garauntees this.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m absolutely positive that you don't comprehend the very basic concept that we can't wait around and see if the Russians or Chinese come up with something that does warrant it.
How's this for a concept; withdraw all our personnel and equipment that's deployed in close proximity to Russian and Chinese borders, that might help defuse some tension. Stop responding to every foreign policy crises or disagreement with either violence or the threat of violence, that might calm them a little, stop electing obtuse, belligerent leaders that proclaim things like; "your with us or against us", stop invading and colonizing countries that are coincidentally, both terrorism nests and resource rich.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e need to have this stuff designed, developed, built, de-bugged, and in position well in advance of that. How hard is that to understand?
Maybe you missed this number on another thread: we'll spend more in Iraq in 2008, than both Russia and China will spend on their entire military budgets/ 142 billion.
You paint a picture of our enemies desperately building arms in order to someday conquer us, that is a farce. We now have more destructive conventional power under our command, than all the destructive ability ever amassed in the combined history of the world, but we still need another type of jet, and lots of them.
The idea that our enemies may develope a fighter that's marginally better than our current crop of jets, thus ensuring our ultimate defeat in the event of war, is patently ridiculous.
This is the NFL on a world stage, our linebackers are bigger and faster than yours! Give me a fookin' break, no, better yet, help me to afford health insurance. Peace dividend my ass. God save us from old white guys with too much testosterone.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou are aware of all the recent Russian blustering and sabre-rattling, right? What do you think that's all about?
What's next, a new generation of bunker-busters every time Bin Laden takes a particularly nasty dump? Where does it end?
In case you haven't noticed the country is bankrupt, and we haven't been attacked by a serious threat, (foreign government) in 64 years. The "official" line is we've apparently spent a few trillion dollars over the past seven years to fight 10000 guys who think an IED is a "wicked pisser."
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Re: F-35 cost: Now One TRILLION Bucks
by Tanada » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 16:10:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'O')ne trillion eh?
$400 million could design, develop, test, market, and get the machine tools needed to mass produce an affordable long range midsize EV for a small company like Tesla.
$200 billion could get rapid charge infrastructure all over the entire United States so that long distance travel by electric car becomes practical.
$400 billion could buy one hell of a mass transit system for every major city in the U.S.
$400 billion could get installed roughly 250 GW installed peak capacity worth of wind generators.
...and here we waste it on airplanes.
$400 million could design, develop, test, market, and get the machine tools needed to mass produce an affordable long range midsize EV for a small company like Tesla.
$200 billion could get rapid charge infrastructure all over the entire United States so that long distance travel by electric car becomes practical.
$400 billion could buy one hell of a mass transit system for every major city in the U.S.
$400 billion could get installed roughly 250 GW installed peak capacity worth of wind generators.
...and here we waste it on airplanes.
Saddest of all with $400 Billion we could build 150, 2 GWe fission power plants and take all the Coal plants offline permanently.
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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