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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby JPL » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:56:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')Please I beg of you, give me a small taste of your so called enlightenment.

==AC


Unfortunately in these enlightened days it's now illegal (grin).

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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Olaf » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 11:02:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', 'z')ensui don't get me wrong I believe that the state of Nirvana can be achieved by those who have the time to meditate and detach from ones ego and if everyone could do it the world would be a better place. But it’s not going to happen. It seems in the end an effective way to push away the realities of being an organismic creature and retreating into the comfort of ones own mind. All I can say is good for you and I wish you the best and kind of wish I could jump in there with you.

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I suggest then, that you let go the quotes you use as an attack to Eastern Philosophies. Because your Western-conditioned mind will never understand it if you're being misguided by those who never understood Eastern Philosphies.

In Buddhism there's no detachement from organism or life, because it's seen as a network of relationships among energy called partitya-samutpada in the East or deep ecology in the West.


I want very badly to attain a degree of calm and peace as I go about my processes. I continue to work on changing my lifestyle, but I have a tremedous amount of anger directed at society in general. It makes me not like most people very much.

I have a degree of understanding, I see the interconnectivity of energy, but fear the loss of self/consciousness (death). I have this chronic urge to want to save the world, but it doesn't seem to want to be saved.

Enlightenment, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 12:15:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Olaf', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', 'z')ensui don't get me wrong I believe that the state of Nirvana can be achieved by those who have the time to meditate and detach from ones ego and if everyone could do it the world would be a better place. But it’s not going to happen. It seems in the end an effective way to push away the realities of being an organismic creature and retreating into the comfort of ones own mind. All I can say is good for you and I wish you the best and kind of wish I could jump in there with you.

==AC


I suggest then, that you let go the quotes you use as an attack to Eastern Philosophies. Because your Western-conditioned mind will never understand it if you're being misguided by those who never understood Eastern Philosphies.

In Buddhism there's no detachement from organism or life, because it's seen as a network of relationships among energy called partitya-samutpada in the East or deep ecology in the West.


I want very badly to attain a degree of calm and peace as I go about my processes. I continue to work on changing my lifestyle, but I have a tremedous amount of anger directed at society in general. It makes me not like most people very much.

I have a degree of understanding, I see the interconnectivity of energy, but fear the loss of self/consciousness (death). I have this chronic urge to want to save the world, but it doesn't seem to want to be saved.

Enlightenment, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

Olaf


This will help:

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=tF5luzpfp_g

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoyCgDn2xM
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 15:16:31

You guys are really on the verge of this:

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or this:

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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 15:27:19

What shall we use to fill the empty spaces?
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 15:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I have this chronic urge to want to save the world, but it doesn't seem to want to be saved.

Olaf


Of course you do! Everybody needs to be a hero by crushing the “evil” that is destroying our biosphere [unfortunately for us that is you and me]. The "world" is just begging to be “saved”. What is life if one does not have a primary value, a contribution to a greater cause that transcends our puny lives?

"Each person wants to have his life make a difference in the life of mankind, contribute in some way toward securing and furthering that life, make it in some ways less vulnerable, more durable. To be a true hero is to triumph over disease, want, death. One knows that his life has had vital human meaning if it has been able to bring real benefits to the life of mankind."

"MEN CAUSE EVIL BY WANTING HEROICALLY TO TRIUMPH OVER IT, BECAUSE MAN IS A FRIGHTENED ANIMAL WHO TRIES TO TRIUMPH, AN ANIMAL WHO WILL NOT ADMIT HIS OWN INSIGNIFICANCE, THAT HE CANNOT PERPETUATE HIMSELF AND HIS GROUP FOREVER, THAT NO ONE IS INVULNERABLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF THE BLOOD OF OTHERS IS SPILLED TO TRY TO DEMONSTRATE IT.'

But take faith young Jedi all this misery and horror can be magically swept away in a meditative trance by ones own self induced nirvana that can be crafted in the comfort of your own living room [which of course was made possible by the successful plundering and bloodletting of “lesser” cultures than ours]. Get started while there is still time. It is not easy to destroy that little character you been spending your entire life perfecting to protect you from existential pain and anxiety. The good news is that your honest acknowledgement that the “world” indeed doesn’t wish to be saved means cracks are beginning to appear in your armor and it may be ready to be slowly peeled away layer by layer. May the force be with you!!

==AC
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 17:46:20

People who used to laughingly refer to me as "Y2K Leon" now gather 'round because they've finally realized I seem to know the news days or weeks ahead of everyone else. People around here are awestruck by the exactness of my "Wheat will soon be $40 a bag." prediction. (thanks to sites like this one, latoc, survival acres, clusterfuck nation, etc. and all the helpful links you folks post to the economics and financial sites.)

Some of the more aware segment of the population really are snapping out of it. There's a creeping feeling that things are about to go cowshit bigtime.
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 18:02:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Olaf', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '(')...)


I suggest then, that you let go the quotes you use as an attack to Eastern Philosophies. Because your Western-conditioned mind will never understand it if you're being misguided by those who never understood Eastern Philosphies.

In Buddhism there's no detachement from organism or life, because it's seen as a network of relationships among energy called partitya-samutpada in the East or deep ecology in the West.


I want very badly to attain a degree of calm and peace as I go about my processes. I continue to work on changing my lifestyle, but I have a tremedous amount of anger directed at society in general. It makes me not like most people very much.

I have a degree of understanding, I see the interconnectivity of energy, but fear the loss of self/consciousness (death). I have this chronic urge to want to save the world, but it doesn't seem to want to be saved.

Enlightenment, if it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

Olaf


I and a friend used to be there. Angry and apathetic that humanity doesn't want to change, to be saved, to be enlightened. But it diminished, because of meditation and an effort to diminish it. Now it's more a neutral feeling, misantrophy is almost extinct in our minds. We made this metaphors while talking about it:

"if I was a plant and discovered that getting some potion/fertilizer/nutrients was great, and I saw all my neighboors dying, I can say to all: hey this saved me! you can also take it! but I must focus on sharing the nutrients with those around me that have answered the call".

"we should be now basically like wireless access points (WiFi hot spots), silently and invisibly, but consistently transmitting signals of peace, harmony, compassion, and other positive feelings. If someone understands the message and responds then we must act to help him/her. If not, he/she is not ready to walk the Path. We must not fret if no one answers for a long time, and we must not desire that someone specifically answers (ie: a "crush")."

relax, and take it one step at a time. Take care of diminishing a lot your anger against humanity before trying to save it. And you must save yourself first from anxiety, anger and so on. About fear, the decision to be determined to "extinguish past self in emptyness" while dying is a serious one, which is one of the last steps. One I'm not yet totally prepared to do, but that doesn't stop my advancement towards the Path... again, step by step.
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 18:10:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I have this chronic urge to want to save the world, but it doesn't seem to want to be saved.

Olaf


Of course you do! Everybody needs to be a hero by crushing the “evil” that is destroying our biosphere [unfortunately for us that is you and me]. The "world" is just begging to be “saved”. What is life if one does not have a primary value, a contribution to a greater cause that transcends our puny lives?

"Each person wants to have his life make a difference in the life of mankind, contribute in some way toward securing and furthering that life, make it in some ways less vulnerable, more durable. To be a true hero is to triumph over disease, want, death. One knows that his life has had vital human meaning if it has been able to bring real benefits to the life of mankind."

"MEN CAUSE EVIL BY WANTING HEROICALLY TO TRIUMPH OVER IT, BECAUSE MAN IS A FRIGHTENED ANIMAL WHO TRIES TO TRIUMPH, AN ANIMAL WHO WILL NOT ADMIT HIS OWN INSIGNIFICANCE, THAT HE CANNOT PERPETUATE HIMSELF AND HIS GROUP FOREVER, THAT NO ONE IS INVULNERABLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF THE BLOOD OF OTHERS IS SPILLED TO TRY TO DEMONSTRATE IT.'

But take faith young Jedi all this misery and horror can be magically swept away in a meditative trance by ones own self induced nirvana that can be crafted in the comfort of your own living room [which of course was made possible by the successful plundering and bloodletting of “lesser” cultures than ours]. Get started while there is still time. It is not easy to destroy that little character you been spending your entire life perfecting to protect you from existential pain and anxiety. The good news is that your honest acknowledgement that the “world” indeed doesn’t wish to be saved means cracks are beginning to appear in your armor and it may be ready to be slowly peeled away layer by layer. May the force be with you!!

==AC


again, you don't get it. You understand Nirvana as some form of heroisom, while in truth it's an advancement of human condition that is much needed for developing an harmonius relationship with the rest of the biosphere.

I don't know how many times, and to how many people I will say this to kill this virus-like destructive memes but: I will make my best effort so that your memes doesn't survive another generation, I could care less if you pass or not your genes. Your memes that you so dearly and heroically defend are basically: Nihilism, Misantrophism and Matter-only Existance.
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 18:39:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')This will help:

http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=tF5luzpfp_g


This will help:

Screw Schopenhauer

Can't think of a better way to rattle that morbid cage. :-D

Maybe the angry chimp would like this one better:

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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:09:47

Don't get me wrong, chimp, but my spirit will be cursing the flies, maggots and Schopenhauer after I've fallen in the urban chaos.
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:19:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t's an advancement of human condition that is much needed for developing an harmonius relationship with the rest of the biosphere.


I agree with you. I'm just not ready yet and I dam well know the rest of humanity isn't either.

==AC
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:20:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'D')on't get me wrong, chimp, but my spirit will be cursing the flies, maggots and Schopenhauer after I've fallen in the urban chaos.


Catchy tune. Thanks I'll play it in a loop tonight while I sleep.

==AC
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Re: He told me not to talk to him anymore...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:28:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'D')on't get me wrong, chimp, but my spirit will be cursing the flies, maggots and Schopenhauer after I've fallen in the urban chaos.


Catchy tune. Thanks I'll play it in a loop tonight while I sleep.

==AC


Flies and Maggots
la da da da da dee dee da da
That's what Schopenhauer told me
la da da da dee dee dee dee. . .
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