[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'I')'m sorry, but I don't understand this all.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'I')'m sorry, but I don't understand this all.

I can see why roccman would hammer this stuff into his boss everyday. He loves to be right and loves to prove other people wrong. He gloats win he wins and makes plenty of excuses when he loses. At least that's what his internet personally is like. The real roccman might be halfway decent.

Others, however, I really don't understand as much. Why get mad at people for not acknowledging that the remainder of their life will probably be short and miserable? What exactly will fruit trees, gardens and bicycles do to have any significant impact in coping with "a disaster that's just around the corner will far exceed in scale and suffering anything humanity has ever experienced of imagined"?

They should be ignoring you. You should stop bothering them and let them enjoy their life. They may not be into gardening or bicycles or whatever. I know that I'm not going to waste my time toiling away with that stuff if, as roccman often says, "90% of us will be dead in under ten years".

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'O')k so I bought a ticket on board the "we are all fucked" train in 1993...

Jumped on board the train in 2003...

Been preach'n "we are all gonna die" word for the better part of 5 years...

Well yesterday my boss tells me not to talk to him anymore about the imminent bone crushing thud ahead of us (by my watch sometime next week)...BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SPOT ON WITH MY PREDICTIONS...

Anyone else having this problem lately?

[DrBang]

I have been telling all those who are important to me for years now. In the beginning (2003ish) everyone looked at me with mild amusement.

"Oh year thats crazy old Simon, he does that. Give him some chocolate and he will stop crapping on about the end of the world..."

In the last 18 months or so when there have been a few things for me to point and say "ah ha!..." that they had to entertain the idea that it may be possible. At this point they all got quite angry. Shoot the messenger an all will be well.

Now about 80% of them get it (including my wife thankfully). That being said, I have damaged quite a few strong friendships. I learned early on the benefit of not talking in fashion to various people of a certain profile. These people would have to have there world view changed into something that is really scary. They would not thank me for this even if they agreed in the end.

I certainly would not go any where near someone who you depend on like your boss. Rocc you are playing with fire here (unless you don't need the job of course!)

In the end, I became important that my immediate family understood and even participated in the preparations.

Roccman, ask yourself why you would approach people and try and tell them all about this? I used to function on the idea that the more people who know, the easier the solutions will be. Now I think in terms of quietly secure my family and offer distant observations when asked for. If someone approaches me with questions then I happily tell them all about it.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'I')'m sorry, but I don't understand this all.

I can see why roccman would hammer this stuff into his boss everyday. He loves to be right and loves to prove other people wrong. He gloats win he wins and makes plenty of excuses when he loses. At least that's what his internet personally is like. The real roccman might be halfway decent.

Others, however, I really don't understand as much. Why get mad at people for not acknowledging that the remainder of their life will probably be short and miserable? What exactly will fruit trees, gardens and bicycles do to have any significant impact in coping with "a disaster that's just around the corner will far exceed in scale and suffering anything humanity has ever experienced of imagined"?

They should be ignoring you. You should stop bothering them and let them enjoy their life. They may not be into gardening or bicycles or whatever. I know that I'm not going to waste my time toiling away with that stuff if, as roccman often says, "90% of us will be dead in under ten years".

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat's evident. Apparently, you are just another one of the lemmings that is going head first over the cliff with the majority.
Remember, you Were warned.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow would you like a poster to say "I'd like to shove a screwdriver right through your eye". That's the kind of treatment I've recieved on some other forums.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'I')'m sorry, but I don't understand this all.

I can see why roccman would hammer this stuff into his boss everyday. He loves to be right and loves to prove other people wrong. He gloats win he wins and makes plenty of excuses when he loses. At least that's what his internet personally is like. The real roccman might be halfway decent.

Others, however, I really don't understand as much. Why get mad at people for not acknowledging that the remainder of their life will probably be short and miserable? What exactly will fruit trees, gardens and bicycles do to have any significant impact in coping with "a disaster that's just around the corner will far exceed in scale and suffering anything humanity has ever experienced of imagined"?

They should be ignoring you. You should stop bothering them and let them enjoy their life. They may not be into gardening or bicycles or whatever. I know that I'm not going to waste my time toiling away with that stuff if, as roccman often says, "90% of us will be dead in under ten years".

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'O')uch. I guess I should have anticipated the threat to come sometime. Yeah, but this isn't about your personal decisions. This is about nagging people to the point in which they ask you to stop. I'm not anti-planning. People preach to their families and friends that this is the worst If that's the case, then you really shouldn't be egging other people on.

[jboogy]

I use to tell alot of people about PO, they didn't want to, or couldn't comprehend the ramifications. I still try occassionally, why? I try to warn people I like, hopefully I'm convincing enough that they may decide to look into it, and then maybe, just maybe, they may decide I might have a point, and possibly take steps to prepare. If they prepare they will stand a better chance of survival, and then people I like will maybe live and I can feel good about helping them to live. I would like to think I've helped others to survive, is that so wrong Heysoose?

Rocc, don't worry about those who wish to live in ignorance and denial, you've tried, that's all that can be expected of you, besides, wouldn't you rather spend your time talking to us? We understand and appreciate the Roccman.

[AWPrime]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'O')uch. I guess I should have anticipated the threat to come sometime. Yeah, but this isn't about your personal decisions. This is about nagging people to the point in which they ask you to stop. I'm not anti-planning. People preach to their families and friends that this is the worst If that's the case, then you really shouldn't be egging other people on.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '
')Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'O')k so I bought a ticket on board the "we are all fucked" train in 1993...

Jumped on board the train in 2003...

[JPL]

To inject a note of sanity (grin): Some years ago I had a wonderful chat with an old hippie father of a friend of mine. He leaned back in his chair and waved a hand towards the various bits & pieces of his bohemenian lifestyle & said, 'Well, in my day none of us bothered with college, careers & so-on, because they were going to drop "The Bomb". Trouble is,' he said with a sad smile, 'they never dropped it.'

I remember asking him, 'But do you regret what you've done with your life since then?'

After some reflection he smiled & said, 'No, but I might have done a few things differently.'

To get back to subject, I have had many conversations with people aound me about Peak Oil, Climate Change etc. There have been a couple of failures but in general you can get the message across providing you actually listen to people & don't go'off on one'.

People feel a need for change - they all do. There is a peg you can hang it on - it was 'The Bomb', or it was DDT 40 years ago, ozone depletion 20 years ago, climate change 10 years ago and now it's Peak Oil. There will be other issues too in the future, no-doubt. (Nanotechnology & 'Grey Goo' for example.)

Patience. The world is changing, but as always, it's three steps forward, two steps back. This process will continue for a long time yet, but eventually we will get there. Reality is slowly, but remorselessly tightening the noose.

A post-industrial world is coming, but I still say it will take some time yet. Do not loose faith roccman, reality is starting to poke its ugly head over the parapet & we WILL be victorious in the end.

JP

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ')Do not loose faith roccman, reality is starting to poke its ugly head over the parapet & we WILL be victorious in the end.

JP

[evilgenius]

You have people telling you that they don't want to hear any more when what you are telling them about is staring them in the face. They, in all probability, listened when they weren't threatened by the reality of it.

I'm still in my salad days. The big war (and US loss of it) is still an unwinding away. The people's scorn and consternation is being used on the likes of you right now. From the looks of it, should I make it, there won't be too many left to lift a finger toward this messenger if and when.

[eastbay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'D')unno if you were including me in the "others" you don't understand, but FWIW:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'W')hy get mad at people for not acknowledging that the remainder of their life will probably be short and miserable?

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'Y')ou have people telling you that they don't want to hear any more when what you are telling them about is staring them in the face. They, in all probability, listened when they weren't threatened by the reality of it.

I'm still in my salad days. The big war (and US loss of it) is still an unwinding away. The people's scorn and consternation is being used on the likes of you right now. From the looks of it, should I make it, there won't be too many left to lift a finger toward this messenger if and when.