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Re: Plutonium in Sante Fe drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 12:00:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rense', '
')"all contamination detections were below federal and state drinking water quality limits. -Rense"
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=45579
http://www.rense.com/general77/santa.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('freenewmexican', ' ')
City to retest well for plutonium

By THE NEW MEXICAN
July 10, 2007

A water test found possible plutonium contamination in one of Santa Fe’s Buckman wells last summer, but city officials say the amount was so small that they need to conduct a second test to confirm if that’s what they found, a Tuesday news release said.

Meanwhile, city officials are assuring residents that Santa Fe’s water supplies are safe to drink.

“Whether there was a trace or not is the question,” said Claudia Borchert, the water resources coordinator for the city’s water utility. “It’s not really confirmed.”

A July 2006 test of Buckman Well No. 1 indicated a possible plutonium trace. The test results were released recently in the city’s 2006 Water Quality Report.

Plutonium-238 is one of several contaminants related to nuclear testing at Los Alamos National Laboratory that the city tests for twice a year. Other nuclear-decay contaminants are americium-241, cobalt-60, cesium-137, chromium, tritium and strontium. None of the other contaminants have been found in Buckman wells, according to city Water Utility Manager Gary Martinez.
http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/64552.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('environmental safeguards', '
') Formation of a debris dam (as discussed above under Pathway #3 is more likely as a result of the Cerro Grande fire. This could cause contaminated sediments to move upstream from the mouth of Los Alamos Canyon into the vicinity of the Collector Well. Specifically, concern was expressed over the re-mobilization of plutonium-contaminated Rio Grande sediments at the mouth of Los Alamos Canyon. In addition, a LANL scientist acknowledged that Lab-related contaminants in the alluvium of Mortandad Canyon could reach the Rio Grande under post-fire flooding conditions.
http://www.environmentalsafeguards.com/ ... orce1.html
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Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:33:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '&')quot;Taste the sizzling fury of fajita skillet death you marauding zombie goon!"

First thing to ask: Cui bono?
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby mmasters » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:41:53

This is all about dumbing down and controlling the population.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby catbox » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 20:48:30

Read about this a few years back...amazing how long it takes the rest of the mainstream press to actually report on things like this...I guess it's not really that amazing.

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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby WisJim » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 23:13:45

I thought that a scary part of the story is that some communities won't release the water test info due to post 9/11 security concerns.

We have been having some local informational meetings about water, water sources, and water contamination. It should keep getting worse and in 20 years or so we will be getting the full "benefit" of all the developments filled with homes with their own wells and septic systems--around here, in some soil types, it will take another decade or so for the water table to be noticeably and dangerously contaminated. Of course, they could make zoning changes and stricter water and septic regulations, but that would be infringing on our right to contaminate everyone's drinking water--might cause some minor personal inconveniences. This is really a scary subject, and I'm glad that it is finally receiving some national coverage.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 23:55:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')rugs in US drinking water
One word, Fluoride.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]'Second Thoughts about Fluoride,' Reports Scientific American (Jan 2, 2008)

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NEW YORK, Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- "Some recent studies suggest that
over-consumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth,
bones, the brain and the thyroid gland," reports Scientific American editors
(January 2008). "Scientific attitudes toward fluoridation may be starting to
shift," writes author Dan Fagin.

"Fluoride, the most consumed drug in the USA, is deliberately added to 2/3 of
public water supplies theoretically to reduce tooth decay, but with no
scientifically-valid evidence proving safety or effectiveness," says lawyer
Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation.

After 3 years of scrutinizing hundreds of studies, a National Research Council
(NRC) committee "concluded that fluoride can subtly alter endocrine function,
especially in the thyroid -- the gland that produces hormones regulating
growth and metabolism," reports Fagin.

Fagin quotes John Doull, professor emeritus of pharmacology and toxicology at
the University of Kansas Medical Center, who chaired the NRC committee thusly,
"The thyroid changes do worry me."

Fluoride in foods, beverages, medicines and dental products...

...Reports Fagin, "a series of epidemiological studies in China have associated
high fluoride exposures with lower IQ."...

...children who lived in communities where the water was fluoridated were 50
percent more likely to have mild fluorosis... than [nine-year-old] children
living in nonfluoridated areas of the state
," writes Fagin.

Link with full article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRel ... RN20080102

Scientific American's web preview of the article:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=sec ... n-fluoride


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')his is all about dumbing down and controlling the population.
Whether it's intentional or not, dumbing down is one of the effects...
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Drugs in Drinking Water

Unread postby manu » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 02:12:18

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hGso ... AD8VA14500


Not only are the Big Pharma Co. fleecing the lemmings of their money, they are poisoning their water at the same time!
Go herbal lemmings before its too late.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby emailking » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 03:06:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')his is all about dumbing down and controlling the population.


You sure about that?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.


Sounds pretty reasonable and logical to me. The concentrations are in ppb and ppt.
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Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 09:15:16

{thread merged by emersonbiggins}

AP probe found traces of meds in water supplies of 41 million Americans
By Jeff Donn, Martha Mendoza and Justin Pritchard
A vast array of pharmaceuticals — including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones — have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows. …
Mood swings?
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 09:36:44

Ah, there's nothing like the clear cool water of an artesian well.

The only problem we have is a bit too much sulfur, but our filter takes care of that.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 10:52:43

Just another reason I filter all my drinking water. I have heard half this crap gets in your lungs as well in from hot showers. Any one else considered getting a filter for their shower?
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 11:30:55

ppl bitche enough about pharma prices. now they can get it for free.
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 12:41:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'p')pl bitche enough about pharma prices. now they can get it for free.
To some it's pollution, to others progress! :lol:

And why is this a growing problem?
Is it only water table contamination?

From Sewage, Added Water for Drinking (NY Times)
http://tinyurl.com/3auedv

Five Facts on Recycling Sewage into Drinking Water
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory ... /story.htm

Australian Town May Produce Drinking Water by Recycling
http://tinyurl.com/2b6wv5

Yuck, yuck and yuck! :P
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 13:26:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ealth: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water
That's a better title...
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby WisJim » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 14:58:41

Any reliable method that we can afford to use at home to remove these trace amounts of drugs? Will reverse osmosis filter them out, or distillation? I have my doubts about single stage distillation doing an adequate job.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 15:34:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')his is all about dumbing down and controlling the population.


I don't think that's very true. It fundamentally comes down to the idea that we can produce all these chemicals and then when we're done with them we'll throw them "away". The problem is that invariably somebody lives in "away" and they're none to happy about having your garbage thrown on them. Every drug that you take, pretty much, ends up in your urine and someone else's drinking water. With 6 billion of us peeing out drugs, it's potentially a very serious problem. As steam cannon points out, our throughly illogical system for waste disposal and decontamination certainly doesn't help the situation any. Poop and urine should go onto soil. Soil bacteria would break a lot of this stuff down before it got to the waterways. When you pee and poop into water, the stuff doesn't have time to break down before someone else drinks it.
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Re: Health: Pharmaceuticals lurking in U.S. drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 15:43:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WisJim', 'A')ny reliable method that we can afford to use at home to remove
these trace amounts of drugs? Will reverse osmosis filter them out, or
distillation? I have my doubts about single stage distillation doing an
adequate job.
That's hard to know, but I would suspect that filters and definitely
distillation should have a positive effect at removing these
contaminants. Though nothing is perfect for example, certain dyes
are difficult to remove though distillation.

Some disturbing clips from the article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Even users of bottled water and home filtration systems don't necessarily avoid exposure. Bottlers, some of which simply repackage tap water, do not typically treat or test for pharmaceuticals, according to the industry's main trade group. The same goes for the makers of home filtration systems.

One technology, reverse osmosis, removes virtually all pharmaceutical contaminants but is very expensive for large-scale use and leaves several gallons of polluted water for every one that is made drinkable.

...A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

...Arlington, Texas, acknowledged that traces of a pharmaceutical were detected in its drinking water but cited post-9/11 security concerns in refusing to identify the drug.

...Another issue: There's evidence that adding chlorine, a common process in conventional drinking water treatment plants, makes some pharmaceuticals more toxic.

...Human waste isn't the only source of contamination. Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10 percent of the steroid passed right through the animals.

Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska feedlot had steroid levels four times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living in that downstream area had low testosterone levels and small heads.

...Recent laboratory research has found that small amounts of medication have affected human embryonic kidney cells, human blood cells and human breast cancer cells. The cancer cells proliferated too quickly; the kidney cells grew too slowly; and the blood cells showed biological activity associated with inflammation.

...Also, pharmaceuticals in waterways are damaging wildlife across the nation and around the globe, research shows. Notably, male fish are being feminized, creating egg yolk proteins, a process usually restricted to females. Pharmaceuticals also are affecting sentinel species at the foundation of the pyramid of life — such as earth worms in the wild and zooplankton in the laboratory, studies show.


Some scientists stress that the research is extremely limited, and there are too many unknowns. They say, though, that the documented health problems in wildlife are disconcerting.

"It brings a question to people's minds that if the fish were affected...might there be a potential problem for humans?" EPA research biologist Vickie Wilson told the AP. "It could be that the fish are just exquisitely sensitive because of their physiology or something. We haven't gotten far enough along."

...Many concerns about chronic low-level exposure focus on certain drug classes: chemotherapy that can act as a powerful poison; hormones that can hamper reproduction or development; medicines for depression and epilepsy that can damage the brain or change behavior; antibiotics that can allow human germs to mutate into more dangerous forms; pain relievers and blood-pressure diuretics.

...However, some experts say medications may pose a unique danger because, unlike most pollutants, they were crafted to act on the human body.

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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 16:02:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'A')s steam cannon points out, our throughly illogical system for waste
disposal and decontamination certainly doesn't help the situation any.
Poop and urine should go onto soil. Soil bacteria would break a lot of
this stuff down before it got to the waterways. When you pee and
poop into water, the stuff doesn't have time to break down before
someone else drinks it.
Below is a video about modern water management techniques.

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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 17:32:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')his is all about dumbing down and controlling the population.


I don't think that's very true.


Incorrect. Industrial waste silicofluorides, extremely toxic chemicals, are added to the water supply.

If you drink or bathe in city water then I can understand your denial.
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Re: Drugs in US drinking water

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 10 Mar 2008, 19:28:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.


Sounds pretty reasonable and logical to me. The concentrations are in ppb and ppt.

If you think wastewater composes municipal water supplies across the country you're certainly entitled to your brainwashed opinion! :lol:
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