Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE "War on Drugs" Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 14:42:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')TF. :razz:


Scroll that window and you'll find the answer to your question... :P
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby shakespear1 » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 14:45:52

So much information and disinformation floats around the world about marijuana that most people are simply confused. That is all done by design :-)
Men argue, nature acts !
Voltaire

"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."

Alan Greenspan
shakespear1
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 14:50:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'S')o much information and disinformation floats around the world about marijuana that most people are simply confused. That is all done by design :-)


I have always worried that the aliens would find out that alcohol is legal and pot is illegal and this would be the trigger for an all out attack.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 14:53:47

Our "rating system" or whatever it is needs to be re-evaluated. Psilocybin mushrooms are grouped in with crystal meth even though shrooms are for the most part pretty harmless (physically).
Stratovarius
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 464
Joined: Fri 17 Nov 2006, 04:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 15:27:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have always worried that the aliens would find out that alcohol is legal and pot is illegal and this would be the trigger for an all out attack.


You're hitting the 'space bong' a bit too much there. :razz:
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
The_Toecutter
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2142
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 15:58:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'T')hat is all done by design :-)


Of course it is. Numerous sectors of the status quo benefit hugely from the continued prohibition on the Sacred Herb. In addition to the huge expansion of the police state that it has engendered as indicated above, hemp provides raw material that would compete with other feedstocks for a huge array of industrial and manufacturing processes, three notable ones being petrochemicals, wood pulp and cotton. In addition, the medicinal qualities of the plant offer a safe, often more effective alternative to most of the leading anti-depressant/anti-anxiety drugs out there. Needless to say, Big Pharm would not be too happy if their leading cash cows were supplanted by something people can grow in their back yard...
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 16:13:01

Hemp is also one of the few viable sources of biodiesel that exist. Biofuels usually have fatal constraints that make their viability questionable, but hemp, despite having a relatively low EROEI(still well over 1), can be mass cultivated without any major ecological calamity, with minimal(if any) fossil fuel inputs, without requiring any of the land traditionally used for food crops(you can grow it in deserts). It doesn't even need to be neatly arranged in a field, it can be harvested feral! And it is one of the least expensive forms of biofuels...

...and no surprise, you will be arrested for growing it in the U.S. The oil industry(among other entrenched industries that TWilliams mentions) hates competition.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
The_Toecutter
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2142
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby Opies » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 18:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'H')emp is also one of the few viable sources of biodiesel that exist. Biofuels usually have fatal constraints that make their viability questionable, but hemp, despite having a relatively low EROEI(still well over 1), can be mass cultivated without any major ecological calamity, with minimal(if any) fossil fuel inputs, without requiring any of the land traditionally used for food crops(you can grow it in deserts). It doesn't even need to be neatly arranged in a field, it can be harvested feral! And it is one of the least expensive forms of biofuels


There is a reason they call it 'weed'
This is one hell of a plant that can grow almost anywhere in almost any soil with little to no care. Its resilient and fast growing nature make it extremely useful for cultivation insofar as its oils, fibers, and other products have, and continue to prove to be extremely useful and beneficial.

And yet it is illegal, even the non-psychoactive hemp... Meanwhile... I wonder how much energy is wasted producing these huge quantities of alcohol we consume... and its only function is to take away the pain of being a man...
User avatar
Opies
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 139
Joined: Sat 16 Jun 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Canada
Top

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 18:58:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n addition, the medicinal qualities of the plant offer a safe, often more effective alternative to most of the leading anti-depressant/anti-anxiety drugs out there.


Too bad I have to lie to my Doctor about my secert treatment options.
vision-master
 
Top

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 03:14:30

bump

Oh come on... surely there has to be at least one idiot on this board dumb enough to declare the WOD to be "A Good Thing"...

* looks around for PA*
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 03:18:13

T-Bill has it figured out, it’s about the money. I wonder how many people would quit cigarettes if pot was legal? I wonder how many would moderate their drinking if pot was legal?

2004 expenditures on pharmaceutical anxiolytics, sedatives and hypnotics totaled about 2.1 BILLION dollars, these are the drugs that marijuana would most likely be a direct replacement for. These are your valium, xanax type of drugs, marijuana also has possible applications in the replacement of many classes of anti-depressant and psychotherapeutic drugs, we spent 32.1 billion on these drugs in 04’

http://www.meps.ahrq.gov/mepsweb/data_f ... tat163.pdf


Throughout history, humans have sought chemical agents to ameliorate the effects of stress and attenuate feelings of discomfort, tension, anxiety, and dysphoria.

However, the toxic effects of these drugs have also been established, including various withdrawal syndromes, dependence, and tolerance.

Approximately 12.5% of the adult population uses a prescribed anxiolytic in the course of a year, while about 2% of the population takes one on any given day. More than half of these drugs, especially benzodiazepines, are prescribed by primary care physicians. In 1988, approximately 88 million prescriptions were written, most for emotional distress. Benzodiazepines are one of the most commonly prescribed drugs in this country.

High-dose withdrawal:Symptoms include anxiety, insomnia, postural hypotension, nausea, vomiting, tremor, incoordination, restlessness, blurred vision, sweating, hyperpyrexia, anorexia, seizures, and delirium. Severe dependence confers increased risk for medical complications, including death.

Other Problems to be Considered

Withdrawal syndromes
Delirium tremens and other alcohol-related syndromes
Pheochromocytoma
Thyrotoxicosis
Anxiety disorders
Psychotic illnesses
Anticholinergic or sympathomimetic drug overdoses
Schizophrenia
Seizure disorders
Mood disorders

Toxicity syndromes
Electrolyte, metabolic, or endocrine derangements
CNS structural or degenerative disorders
Cerebellar disease
Vasculitic or infectious disorders
Posttraumatic stress disorder

http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic3119.htm

Who would self-prescribe a safe, natural sedative ( that would be dirt cheap or free), when you can pay a doctor and then a pharma. company big bucks for some chemicals that may seriously mess you up? This country is insane, and I’m fuckin’ losin’ my mind.
Perhaps the population would be less swayed to socialism if we had fewer examples of socialism from our "Free Market Capitalists". -----fiddler dave
User avatar
jboogy
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1191
Joined: Mon 06 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: the place where smartasses dwell

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 11:58:11

no shit.
vision-master
 

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby TWilliam » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 15:32:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'I') wonder how many people would quit cigarettes if pot was legal? I wonder how many would moderate their drinking if pot was legal?


I don't know about quitting per se, but it is known that with other factors being equal, use of all other mood-altering substances (legal or not) drops appreciably when herb is readily available.

As you say jb, "throughout history, humans have sought chemical agents to ameliorate the effects of stress and attenuate feelings of discomfort, tension, anxiety, and dysphoria", and given the option, most people will select the least harmful substance that meets those needs.
"It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
User avatar
TWilliam
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2591
Joined: Sun 28 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Top

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby Roy » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 17:40:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd given the option, most people will select the least harmful substance that meets those needs.

I read somewhere, that in tests using lab animals, that, in order for marijuana to be toxic to a human, said human would have consume 1500lbs in 15 minutes.

About the only way I can see MJ killing someone is if a dump truck dumped the entire 3/4 ton onto the person. Other than that, marijuana is far less harmful than just about every other intoxicant known to man, or myself.

It is illegal because there is too much $ being made in the prison/industrial complex and by big pharm. War on Drugs is a crime. And Raph that was a nice post as well.

Couldn't agree more.
Roy
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1359
Joined: Fri 18 Jun 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Getting in touch with my Inner Redneck
Top

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby shakespear1 » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 14:32:35

Hemp will simply not go away.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'HEMP OIL IS NOT THE SAME AS "HEMP SEED OIL". Although hemp seed oil is extremely nutritious, it does not contain the high concentrations of THC needed to cure cancers.

The true story of hemp, as told by Rick Simpson, the man who cured cancer with hemp oil. Please visit www.phoenixtears.ca for a vast collection of hemp research and hidden truth about "the miracle medicine"!
')

Cure
Men argue, nature acts !
Voltaire

"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."

Alan Greenspan
shakespear1
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:33:56

...we just need to push Big Pharma out of our government.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
The_Toecutter
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2142
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby Roy » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:51:40

Amen Toecutter. Big everything needs to GTFO of our gov, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

I mean, look at our choice for pres. Going to hell in a handbasket, and it makes me sad.
Roy
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1359
Joined: Fri 18 Jun 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Getting in touch with my Inner Redneck

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby shakespear1 » Sat 08 Mar 2008, 06:01:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'we just need to push Big Pharma out of our government.')

Outside of a French Style Revolution it will not happen. Amazing how little say people have in this type of situation.
Men argue, nature acts !
Voltaire

"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."

Alan Greenspan
shakespear1
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby shakespear1 » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 14:40:12

Here is an excellent interview of a man that sees a problem

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'So no. I don’t think we’re being cynical. I think we’re being factual. We’ve been fighting the drug war for 30 years. Thirty years of failure. But there’s some reason that we persist in this. What is it? We never explore why that is. But you just can’t spend this much money and get these few results and continue on like this. Someone has to start wondering what the fuck is going on.')

The Story
Men argue, nature acts !
Voltaire

"...In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation."

Alan Greenspan
shakespear1
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1532
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: The War on Drugs

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 09 Mar 2008, 15:58:53

FYI:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') tincture is a medicinal extract in an alcohol solution. The alcohol is used to extract and preserve the resins and other soluble material from the plant. Cannabis tinctures are an excellent way to utilize the plant's medicinal ingredients, and a perfect alternative for those who find smoking difficult.

Until the 1920's, Cannabis Indica tincture was available at your neighborhood pharmacy. Queen Victoria used medicinal cannabis extracts to deal with chronic pain. "Good for what ails ya," cannabis tinctures and extracts commonly served as analgesics, sedatives and narcotics.

Tinctures connect us to our pharmacological past – sepia-toned prescription memories and faded daguerreotypes of ancient potions, forgotten remedies, salves, lotions, ointments, syrups and miraculous elixirs.

Curious Alice pondered a small corked bottle labeled "Drink Me" in Lewis Carroll's 1864 classic Alice's Adventures Underground. "Well at least it doesn't say 'Poison,'" Alice wisely reflected. Yet Victorian magician Aleister Crowley's bottle of laudanum was indeed labeled "Poison," to impart a sense of danger and magic.

During the 18th century, absinthe drinkers mixed their wormwood extract with water, transforming it into the "Green Faerie" – a thujone-rich instant psychedelic drink.
vision-master
 
Top

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron