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WSJ - Peak Oil hit piece (Saleri) "Plenty of Oil"

Unread postby Oil-Finder » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 03:36:35

*awaits mass ridicule and scoffing*

--> WSJ <--
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby Valdemar » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 05:03:35

He is a silly man, he is.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby PopeGideon » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 05:50:58

Well, all you have to know about this guy is the following:

He first says this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')In fact, we are nowhere close to reaching a peak in global oil supplies.


Then he says this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')iven a set of assumptions, forecasting the peak-oil-point -- defined as the onset of global production decline -- is a relatively trivial problem. Four primary factors will pinpoint its exact timing. The trivial becomes far more complex because the four factors . . . are inherently uncertain.


Wow.

It's like saying "I can't be certain there aren't any bullets in this gun" and then following up with, "but I'm certain that if I point it at my head and pull the trigger my brains will not be introduced to the wall."
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby KevO » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 06:00:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', 'H')e is a silly man, he is.


Yes he is. Bloody silly bugger
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby ohanian » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 06:26:30

Da world has plenty of oil

Da world has no more cheap oil

All Da oil is Da expensive $100-plus oil


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he world is not running out of oil anytime soon. A gradual transitioning on the global scale away from a fossil-based energy system may in fact happen during the 21st century. The root causes, however, will most likely have less to do with lack of supplies and far more with superior alternatives. The overused observation that "the Stone Age did not end due to a lack of stones" may in fact find its match.


Notice how he group all the oil together.

bio-diesel
petroleum

So he say "The world will not run out of oil because bio-diesel is oil too! So as price of petroleum increases, people will switch to buying cheaper bio-diesel hence peak oil is bullshit! After all everyone knows that bio-diesel is the superior alternative!"
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 09:06:51

I stopped reading after "As a matter of context, the globe has consumed only one out of a grand total of 12 to 16 trillion barrels underground."

I do not know where he took that figure from, but I think he included all sorts of "oil", plus the most optimistic forecast for the Arctic and Antarctic, plus abiotic, plus I don't know what. :) :)

I think he is just crazier than all of us together... and he has articles in the WSJ. The world is really DOOOOOMED!!!
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby Dukkha » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 09:52:33

^ I know. 16 trillion barrels? OK. Whatever you say, mate.

The WSJ has an exemplary track-record for coming out with crap like this. For years they've been doing their best to discredit theories of anthropogenic climate change and now Murdoch is its owner, no doubt even those loose editorial standards have been relaxed.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby shortonoil » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 11:16:43

Dukkha said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or years they've been doing their best to discredit theories of anthropogenic climate change and now Murdoch is its owner,


Once I realized that Murdoch had taken over, I relegated the WS to the category of “Mad Magazine”. This guy is a plight on the concept of journalism!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')6 trillion barrels


He must be including the reserves that are supposed to be on the back side of the moon; and WS prints this garbage.

After you look at this trash, it sure doesn’t leave much hope for us intelligently addressing our problem - does it?
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 11:29:21

Proof positive that the peak oil movement is lost.

Not the peak oil argument.

The peak oil movement.

As long as "officials" can get away with statements like "12 trillion barrels underground," then you can forget about any kind of change or adaptation or even growing awareness.

Peak oil mitigation is lost. Dead and buried.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby seahorse » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 12:42:51

Crude oil may rise to $120 in six months.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Crude May Rise to $120 in Six Months, Taqa CEO Says (Update2)

By Glen Carey

March 4 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil may rise to $120 a barrel within six months due to the dollar weakness and global political tensions, the chief executive officer of Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. said.

``I think a trading range between $80 and $120 a barrel this year is about right,'' Peter Barker-Homek, the head of the United Arab Emirates state-controlled company, which is also known as Taqa, said in an interview in Dubai today. ``But with the softness of the dollar, and the occasional interruptions that you have because of politics, I think we could see $120 oil.''

In October, Barker-Homek said that crude would rise to $100 from $80 before the end of the first quarter because of unfettered Asian demand growth and possible supply shocks. Oil prices continued to rise today after the Taqa CEO made his latest forecast.

Crude oil for April delivery rose as much as 70 cents in earlier electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange and was up 28 cents at $102.73 a barrel at 2:06 p.m. London time. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will meet tomorrow in Vienna, where members have already ruled out changing output.

The dollar traded near a record low versus the euro as traders increased bets that the Federal Reserve will lower interest rates by 0.75 percentage point this month. The U.S. currency was at $1.5217 per euro.

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The Abu Dhabi-based energy company, with $21 billion in assets, expects to grow its business this year by 25 percent, or $5 billion, and has plans to make acquisitions in Europe and the U.S., Barker-Homek said. ``In order to achieve our goal of being a $60 billion asset company by 2012, we have to grow our asset base by 25 percent year-on-year.''

The U.S. subprime mortgage crisis will provide state- controlled Taqa with investment opportunities over the next two to three years as smaller energy companies in the U.S. and Europe look to expand their energy assets without having to borrow from banks, he said.

Energy companies ``have to make some decisions about either sacrificing growth, in which case they will be compromising shareholder value growth, or look for merger of equals or take over candidates,'' Barker-Homek said. ``There are ample opportunities to grow the franchise.''

Persian Gulf sovereign wealth funds, whose coffers are swelling from the near-record oil prices, are snapping up stakes in banks battered by U.S. subprime mortgage losses. Citigroup Inc. was propped up in November by a $7.5 billion investment from the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority after losing almost half its market value.

Taqa plans to expand its crude oil production to 200,000 barrels a day of oil equivalent by 2009, up from its production of 160,000 barrels a day now, Barker-Homek said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Glen Carey in Dubai at gcarey8@bloomberg.netJeremy Naylor in London at jnaylor@bloomberg.net.



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Now, political tensions are not new to the world. In fact, the Saudi's opened the taps in the 1st Gulf War to keep the prices down, so, if all that oil is down there, why is the price rising? The simplest answer is law of supply and demand. It doesn't matter if there is 16 trillion barrels or if oil is abiotic, if its not coming out of the ground, it might as well be on Mars.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby shortonoil » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 13:46:15

seahorse quoted:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Abu Dhabi-based energy company, with $21 billion in assets, expects to grow its business this year by 25 percent, or $5 billion, and has plans to make acquisitions in Europe and the U.S., Barker-Homek said. ``In order to achieve our goal of being a $60 billion asset company by 2012, we have to grow our asset base by 25 percent year-on-year.''

emphasis mine


All that can be said here is that he hasn’t spent much time looking at the world’s monetary/financial condition!

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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 17:06:27

Denial is a powerful drug. It masks reality and causes hope to spring eternal.

Oil is a finite resource. There is little proof I can find anywhere other than wild unfounded and denial driven speculation that shows the earth is endowed with anything like the amounts in that article. It's irresponsible to allow its release.

Unfortunately I agree with Killjoy above. It will make the declines and collapse of society that much worse than it could be.

Oil Finder,

You are a cornucopian of the first degree. You cannot be involved with any real industry connected to oil and it's exploration and production. Your moniker is a non sequitar.

Sad that the very folks who may be involved in the industry can believe the way you do. It's indicative of the scale of the problem we face.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 18:26:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')6 trillion barrels


No, it's true.

I'm also really excited because I heard that there is a lot of gold in seawater.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby Valdemar » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 18:43:58

Indeed. Technically, he isn't lying. He's just omitting certain truths, like how there's no way in hell the bulk of that is economically or environmentally viable in the least.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby mkwin » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 19:41:09

16 trillion barrels is the very top end estimate of total oil in place. It more likely to be 5 trillion of conventional oil but 2.5-3 trillion is not current economically or technically feasible to extract.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby shortonoil » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 23:35:51

mkwin said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')6 trillion barrels is the very top end estimate of total oil in place. It more likely to be 5 trillion of conventional oil but 2.5-3 trillion is not current economically or technically feasible to extract.


Let me get this straight, there is 2-2.5 barrels of 5 left to extract. Right?

Then with all that oil left, 40 to 50%, why did oil hit $104 per barrel today. It shouldn’t be $104, we should be swimming in the stuff, at $10. (must be a conspiracy).

If prices keep increasing at the rate they have been for the last six years, we won’t get another 30% of it out of the ground. At the price increase, that we have experienced for the last six years, that would produce $427 oil in seven more years.

We’ll be back to caulking our Long Boats with bitumen by the time we have used 1 trillion more barrels!
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby ChefBoyardee » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 00:12:37

I personally feel that Mr. Saleri is wrong and that he is misleading the unscrupulous reader. However, I do have to admit that he has a lot more knowledge than I do. He is in the industry - he's there - he has the experience. Of course this doesn't preclude him from being wrong and a dreamer. One thing we have to ask ourselves is: "If PO doesn't become more readily manifest to the public in the short time frame that we expect it to how will this affect us?" I think that we should be humble enough to realize that we don't know everything and that we could be wrong about some things. On the other hand until we're proven wrong we are correct.

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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 00:22:20

It's a typo. obviously Microsoft Word didn't need to check the word has as it is a genuine spelling.

A strange coincidence that D and S are right next to each other on the keyboard.

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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby mkwin » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 09:06:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
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Let me get this straight, there is 2-2.5 barrels of 5 left to extract. Right?



no 2-2.5 billion minus the 1 trillion consumed. So 1-1.5 trillion left to consume.
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Re: Saleri: The World Has Plenty of Oil

Unread postby shortonoil » Wed 05 Mar 2008, 20:02:45

mkwin said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')o 2-2.5 billion minus the 1 trillion consumed. So 1-1.5 trillion left to consume.


So there isn’t 5 trillion barrels left, there are four. So what you are saying is that someone forgot to back date their fields. How convenient!

That still doesn’t answer the question of why over the last six years oil prices have increased by an average rate of 34% annually, when supposedly there is has been surplus production over that entire period.

This is the epitome of disingenuous propaganda, or mind boggling stupidity.
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