[Synthicide]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dsula', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synthicide', 'W')ow, there's some seriously selfish people in here. Many of the people from 3rd world nations would invite you into their home, and share with you the last of their food. They are human beings, but you people are just selfish consumobots.

[Tyler_JC]

I find it impossible to feel emotions about strangers that I have never met and never will meet. Especially when those strangers have zero influence on my day to day life.

Their suffering is unfortunate but it's not the kind of thing I worry about.

But I do give money to homeless people in my area if they look like they legitimately need it.

A Bangladeshi villager? Not my biggest concern right now.

I'm sorry, but it's just a statistic.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')It generally takes more water to grow vegetables than it does to grow grass, and most of the poorer areas of Los Angeles don't have lawns anyway (as you know from driving in the Valley). They can't afford the water bills.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'I') think a lot of guys out there need to grow a pair!

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')It generally takes more water to grow vegetables than it does to grow grass, and most of the poorer areas of Los Angeles don't have lawns anyway (as you know from driving in the Valley). They can't afford the water bills.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'I') think a lot of guys out there need to grow a pair!

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synthicide', 'W')ow, there's some seriously selfish people in here. Many of the people from 3rd world nations would invite you into their home, and share with you the last of their food. They are human beings, but you people are just selfish consumobots.

[DomusAlbion]

There's little hope for places like Los Angeles, Phoenix and Los Vegas. There are just too many people for the given local resources. People will move away (or die) and LA will return to the sleepy pueblo it was before WW II.

[Pixie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'O')nly 1% of LA can afford a house with any room to grow anything. Quite rediculous unless highrises with indoor plant lighting become popular.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pixie', '
')I wonder, though, if the suburbs could grow all their own food.

[Synthicide]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synthicide', 'W')ow, there's some seriously selfish people in here. Many of the people from 3rd world nations would invite you into their home, and share with you the last of their food. They are human beings, but you people are just selfish consumobots.

[oowolf]

Almost all the foods Americans are currently growing in their kitchen gardens are TOTALLY WORTHLESS for survival purposes. I'd guess not 1 person in 10,000 knows how to grow, let alone forage, enough food to actually LIVE on.
Most are pathologically clueless.
Even those on sites like this would be better off to buy a juicer and grind up the quack grass and dandelions (probably full of toxic chemicals) from lawns and make "leaf curd" from tree leaves.

I would advise becoming a foraging expert, pronto.

In 2 weeks I will begin harvesting large quantities of Alder catkins (Alnus rubra) (35% protein, dry weight): high quality food, free for the taking.
http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fo ... index.html

[FoolYap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'A')lmost all the foods Americans are currently growing in their kitchen gardens are TOTALLY WORTHLESS for survival purposes.

[canis_lupus]

JoelTrout - I like the way you think!

The problem where I live is the suburban thinking here (west of Chicago):
1. can't keep bees here, they are "venomous pets"
2. Some cities have $300 - $3000 per tree permits you need to buy if you are going to remove trees from your property (don't even get me started)
3. There is a maximum amount of roof size you can have on your property as a percentage of the size of your lot.
4. Trapping rainwater requires a plumber which requires a permit, which requires a yearly inspection
5. Don't consider wind power

...and so on.

Getting these ordinances changed would be a huge undertaking. By the time the village got it over its rectal-cranial impaction, it'd be forever.

I'm in an old railroad town about 35 minutes from downtown Chicago, so we're not real progressive and not real backwards so I think we're a good sample for suburbia.

[Kristen]

well population growth is decreasing at 2.1 million people per year and should peak between 2020-2029. That might help things out a bit, if we can make it that long.

[oowolf]

When the wheat runs out, or becomes too expensive for YOU to buy, what do you suggest replacing it with: Tomatoes and cucumbers? Good luck. Grow your own wheat? Yeah, sure. Who knows how to do that excepting a few hard-core biointensive/permaculture gardeners?
Foragers=survivors; Non-foragers=Dead meat

[Ludi]

Wheat takes too much room to grow for the calories it provides. Potatoes, sweet potatoes, and other root crops are better choices for calorie crops.

Sweet potatoes are perennial in warm climates, hardy yam are perennial in cooler climates. This may help eliminate the need for storage.

Nut trees are a good choice for calories and nutrition but most take years to bear. Almonds for warm climates and hazelnuts for cooler climates may be better choices for quicker crops (also smaller trees than walnuts or pecans).

[DomusAlbion]

Back at you, dood (your extra special spelling).

I suggest you learn to read (and spell as well).

"Did I say all people in 3rd world nations? No, I said many, which is a true statement, and not contrived of naivity (sic)."

I never said that you said "all". I acknowledged your statement as true, however, I applied the same statement, or logic if you will, to Westerners. In other words you really added nothing to the discussion except to call people names and to be self righteous.

You sound as if you’re a young person, lacking experience of the world as it is and always will be, “World without end. Amen”
A sad state, but you're not going to change it, nor can anyone.

[SILENTTODD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'A') garden will make your rations go further.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pixie', ' ') Could we feed 30 people from 3 acres with intensive organic agriculture?