[Zardoz]

Another one added to the list.

[Dukkha]

Clearly language skills are in precipitous decline in whatever God-forsaken backwater has the misfortune of being called your home.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('You illiterate twat. In the post immediately above yours I ', 'i')t's my fucking fault

[DomusAlbion]

Dukkha wrote "It's my fucking fault"

Well, sir, you can take the blame if you so desire, but I shall not.
I'm no different than any other in the world; I was born into the place that I am. My good fortune to have been born in a lush fat land with agricultural surplus to share does not cause others to starve to death.

The simple fact and the cause of the suffering that will come to people in Asia is that they have exceeded the carry capacity of their environment. I don't blame them for this but they will be the ones that suffer the most in the hard times to come. If you will, they will suffer because of their success at over breeding and the West's success at facilitating that condition via the Green Revolution.

[billg]

According to Wikipedia, a whopping 2/3 of Bangladeshis are farmers! Maybe they have something to teach us.

[joeltrout]

I have been thinking the US could avert a future food crisis fairly easy if everyone planted vegetable gardens instead of grass and other landscaping.

I live in Los Angeles where open land is nowhere to be seen but landscaping is everywhere. If we had to... all that landscaping could easily be turned into vegetable gardens. Most cities have parks everywhere that could be turned into gardens. The soil is good, spinkler systems/irrigation is already plumbed, most SFR neighborhoods would produce more then they could use therefore helping provide for areas without yards such as aparment complexs. Even my office building has a ton of landscaping that could easily be turned into gardens.

I realize the one big problem would be theft but other than that I don't see any other negatives. Let me hear your thoughts.

joeltrout

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billg', 'A')ccording to Wikipedia, a whopping 2/3 of Bangladeshis are farmers! Maybe they have something to teach us.

[Ludi]

People will be able to grow crops for nutrition (vegetables, fruits) but there is probably not enough land in city or suburban yards or landscaping areas to grow all the calories needed by a family. It takes a minimum of 1000 square feet per person to grow a complete (vegan) diet plus 3000 more square feet per person to grow the needed compost and mulch crops.


References: "Grow More Vegetables," "One Circle," and other Ecology Actions research papers

http://www.bountifulgardens.org/products.asp?dept=113

[Ludi]

Even these people do not grow all their food:

http://pathtofreedom.com/

They live n Pasadena.

[joeltrout]

It would definitely be in partnership with the agricultural production of today.

joeltrout

[Pixie]

You might be interested in reading the Urban Agriculture Revolution thread: http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic35636.html

[Ludi]

I want to add, city and suburban food gardening is something I support 100% and it would be a wonderful thing if people would do it.


But it is not as easy as one might think to grow all the food needed by these vast populations. Water is another issue. It generally takes more water to grow vegetables than it does to grow grass, and most of the poorer areas of Los Angeles don't have lawns anyway (as you know from driving in the Valley). They can't afford the water bills.

[Synthicide]

Wow, there's some seriously selfish people in here. Many of the people from 3rd world nations would invite you into their home, and share with you the last of their food. They are human beings, but you people are just selfish consumobots.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'I')t would definitely be in partnership with the agricultural production of today.

joeltrout

[heroineworshipper]

Only 1% of LA can afford a house with any room to grow anything. Quite rediculous unless highrises with indoor plant lighting become popular.

[FoolYap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'P')eople will be able to grow crops for nutrition (vegetables, fruits) but there is probably not enough land in city or suburban yards or landscaping areas to grow all the calories needed by a family. It takes a minimum of 1000 square feet per person to grow a complete (vegan) diet plus 3000 more square feet per person to grow the needed compost and mulch crops.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ') There is no food crisis under the agricultural production of today.

[Synthicide]

ARgh!

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'I') realize the one big problem would be theft but other than that I don't see any other negatives. Let me hear your thoughts.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Synthicide', 'W')ow, there's some seriously selfish people in here. Many of the people from 3rd world nations would invite you into their home, and share with you the last of their food. They are human beings, but you people are just selfish consumobots.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'O')nly 1% of LA can afford a house with any room to grow anything. Quite rediculous unless highrises with indoor plant lighting become popular.