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The Spreading Global Food Crisis Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Food too expensive, time to eat dirt

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 00:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilluber', 'd')irt will now be used in the official calculation of CPI,
along with LCD TV's and PC's.
I believe it! :lol:
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Re: Food too expensive, time to eat dirt

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 00:19:41

But in all honesty, this is not as uncommon as it sounds...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he clay commonly ingested in Africa contains important nutrients such as: phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, copper, zinc, manganese, and iron...

...Other Americans, such as the indigenous Pomo of Northern California used dirt in their diet - they mixed it with ground acorn; this neutralized the acid.
http://geography.about.com/cs/culturalg ... ophagy.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eophagia and pica in general are often associated with iron-deficiency anemia. No one knows whether anemia is a cause or an effect, but it's worth looking into in your case, since one can't help thinking that art students as a class could stand a little more, you know, red meat. According to the medical literature, a lot of pica sufferers, including pregnant women with pickles-and-ice-cream-type cravings, have been cured by giving them iron supplements.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_090.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen asked why they eat chalk, many persons respond that they like the taste or that they crave it. They usually acquire the clay from friends, neighbors, or family members or dig it directly from the earth. Surprisingly, it is sometimes available at stores, where it is packaged like fresh produce and often labeled, "Down Home Georgia White Dirt. Novelty. Not Suggested for Human Consumption."

Published accounts report that it is not unusual for pregnant women in rural Georgia and elsewhere to engage in some type of pica. Patients and health care providers may not even consider this behavior abnormal, given the acceptance of women's cravings during pregnancy. The ingestion of white clay occurs predominantly among African American women who have been introduced to eating clay by family members or friends, either as children or during pregnancy. Clay-eating by men or non-African Americans is unusual, though cases have been reported. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some persons on routine renal dialysis crave kaolin and will ingest it even while being dialyzed.

Many of the women who engage in kaolin-specific pica complain of constipation. Some even suffer ruptured colons. Low blood-hemoglobin levels, a sign of anemia, are common, because the ingestion of kaolin inhibits absorption of iron from foods. Those who eat clay at the expense of healthier foods often develop malnutrition. Since kaolin-specific pica typically begins during pregnancy, there may be consequences for the unborn child. Women should be discouraged from engaging in pica, especially during pregnancy.

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Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 02:23:39

It's real. It's not far away:

‘Shortages Are on the Horizon’ - We need a new Green Revolution, led by biotechnology, to meet the growing demand for grain in Asia.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ast week Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo asked Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung to guarantee rice supplies to her country, one of the developing world's largest importers. To American biologist Robert Zeigler, the request underscores two global problems: rapidly depleting grain stockpiles, and the need for a new Green Revolution to satisfy food demand that is forecast to jump 50 percent by 2025.

Zeigler heads the Philippine-based International Rice Research Institute, which helped pioneer techniques that began delivering huge gains in per-hectare yields more than 40 years ago. Yet he warns that yield growth has stalled, even as farmland is under increasing threat from urbanization, water shortages and climate change.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EWSWEEK: What is the significance of Manila's request that Vietnam guarantee its rice supplies?

Robert Zeigler: It's very significant when you have two heads of state discussing [how to] assure the supply of a staple food of one country by another. That tells me that concerns about the availability of that staple food have reached the highest levels.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Kristen » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 02:30:56

Do you think food rationing on a global scale would be a solution to food shortages. If people only ate the number of calories they used it could make up for it. Just a thought.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Dukkha » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 06:17:05

^ Great plan. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sadly any country suggesting such an outlandish idea probably wouldn't have time to count to 10 before being invaded by the Americans. The world has to be made safe for democracy, doesn't it? Still, we can dream.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Judgie » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 06:18:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'D')o you think food rationing on a global scale would be a solution to food shortages. If people only ate the number of calories they used it could make up for it. Just a thought.


Yes, but I think you've simplified the issue a bit. To be fair, most 1st-world countries, particularly the U.S.A. would have to be subject to food rationing on the largest scale, tapering off to almost nothing in 3rd world countries, who would recieve the resources that the US and other 1st-world countries are no longer consuming. They (the 3rd-world countries) can't have rationing of anything, except perhaps firearms and ammunition.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Judgie » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 06:29:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukkha', '^') Great plan. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sadly any country suggesting such an outlandish idea probably wouldn't have time to count to 10 before being invaded by the Americans. The world has to be made safe for democracy, doesn't it? Still, we can dream.


Mmmm, more than likely. According to but one nation, and most definately not for the first time in recorded history, the many are to sacrifice themselves for the "good" of the few..................

Pity that this time around, they'll take themselves down with us :twisted:
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 08:54:01

Again children in "fat countries" (agriculturally endowed) such as the US and Europe will be regaled at the dinner table to "Eat all the food on your plate. Children in Asia are going to bed hungry."

And those Asian children will (again) be starving.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Lumpy » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 09:08:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Judgie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'D')o you think food rationing on a global scale would be a solution to food shortages. If people only ate the number of calories they used it could make up for it. Just a thought.


Yes, but I think you've simplified the issue a bit. To be fair, most 1st-world countries, particularly the U.S.A. would have to be subject to food rationing on the largest scale, tapering off to almost nothing in 3rd world countries, who would recieve the resources that the US and other 1st-world countries are no longer consuming. They (the 3rd-world countries) can't have rationing of anything, except perhaps firearms and ammunition.


I agree Judgie, although the infrastructure required to ration food now in the US compared to during, say, WWII, would be a nightmare.

However, you know all those studies about rats who are given fewer calories -- just enough to live on the lean side -- living longer? Supposed to apply to people, too. If it COULD be done, maybe this would do all of our generally overweight USA society some good ... not meaning to sound flippant here.

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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 09:26:33

I wouldn't give the average third worlder a bucket of my shit to fertilize their garden. The only thing feeding them does is make more of them next year to feed. I can put up with a 6 weeks of nonstop feed the hungry campaigns . Till the worlds population gets a long overdue correction.

The only thing feeding them does is make more of them. I say we give them all the food they want laced with sterilization drugs to solve the problem.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Dukkha » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 10:05:57

^ Perhaps but here's a couple of questions:

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 10 dead Bangladeshis?

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 100 dead Bangladeshis?

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 1000 dead Bangladeshis?

Given your answers to the questions above, from an ecologically point of view, shouldn't the world cheer every time one of you fat pricks drops dead from one too many burgers?
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby paimei01 » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 10:26:00

Indeed a real new green revolution the world needs.

Look at Cuba, plant trees, and grow organic and sustainable gardens everywhere. And renounce money, cars and plastic garbage. The bicycle is a great invention

All this will never happen for the same reason communism does not happen - people are not good enough for that, to live happy and with few material goods
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 10:26:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukkha', '^') Perhaps but here's a couple of questions:

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 10 dead Bangladeshis?

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 100 dead Bangladeshis?

Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 1000 dead Bangladeshis?

Given your answers to the questions above, from an ecologically point of view, shouldn't the world cheer every time one of you fat pricks drops dead from one too many burgers?


Anytime they want to come take the food they are free to try.
Fat people are fine with me , in fact the more the merrier. They will make great compost after the working animals convert them into shit.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Dukkha » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 10:30:31

Sorry, what were your answers to the four questions?
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 10:39:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukkha', 'S')orry, what were your answers to the four questions?


Sorry where did you get the idea that you were entitled to any of the finite time I have. ? To answer your drivel , little one ?

Anyways 10 bangladeshis or a few fat americans they would all make great compost . Is there a delivery charge for third worlders to feed to my animals ? or can they just paddle here on an innertube :lol: ?
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Fishman » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:11:25

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Would the world benefit more from 10 dead septics or 1000 dead Bangladeshis?
Your logic fails reality. The question at present is can 10 US folks feed themselves and 1000 others today and 2000 tomorrow. Remember the 1000 you refered to aren't contributing to the food supply only the demand. From an ecologically point of view 10 US feeding only themselves causes far less damage than feeding themselves and 1000 others.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Pretorian » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:29:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'I') wouldn't give the average third worlder a bucket of my shit to fertilize their garden.


That's a good idea. Will you pay for shipping and handling? I am glad that storage is not an issue in your household :)
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:34:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', 'I') wouldn't give the average third worlder a bucket of my shit to fertilize their garden.


That's a good idea. Will you pay for shipping and handling? I am glad that storage is not an issue in your household :)


Glad to see another person to stupid to make compost out of available materials . Would you like to apply for a position of neutered plow animal now ? or wait till society collapses ? :lol:
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Dukkha » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:37:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our logic fails reality. The question at present is can 10 US folks feed themselves and 1000 others today and 2000 tomorrow. Remember the 1000 you refered to aren't contributing to the food supply only the demand. From an ecologically point of view 10 US feeding only themselves causes far less damage than feeding themselves and 1000 others.


To a certain extent that's obviously true: that is, it's less of a burden on the planet to feed 10 people than it is to feed 1000 people. However, it's clearly not true that "the 1000 you refered to aren't contributing to the food supply only the demand" (do you really think Bangladeshis grow no food?) and also my choice was not between 10 Americans and 10 Americans with 1000 Bangladeshis. It was between 10 Americans and 1000 Bangladeshis and taken in the round, I'd rather have 1000 Bangladeshis living than 10 Americans. Now clearly, there is a fair amount of hyperbole in my question but the point is this: By restricting questions to the population/food nexus, it's possible (and it's no accident that it happens constantly on this website) to overlook the calamitous imposition which Americans (and British, and Japanese, and French) place upon the environment. The regularity with which threads like this is depressing (but explicable) because it offloads the responsibilities of imbeciles like Cheshire onto the "3rd-world". "It's their fault! It's their fault!" they shout but it's not. It's your fucking fault and it's my fucking fault. This isn't, of course, to say that population growth in the global south is not a problem but it's a problem which needs to be seen in perspective.
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Re: Asian nations worried about food supply

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 29 Feb 2008, 11:46:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukkha', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our logic fails reality. The question at present is can 10 US folks feed themselves and 1000 others today and 2000 tomorrow. Remember the 1000 you refered to aren't contributing to the food supply only the demand. From an ecologically point of view 10 US feeding only themselves causes far less damage than feeding themselves and 1000 others.


To a certain extent that's obviously true: that is, it's less of a burden on the planet to feed 10 people than it is to feed 1000 people. However, it's clearly not true that "the 1000 you refered to aren't contributing to the food supply only the demand" (do you really think Bangladeshis grow no food?) and also my choice was not between 10 Americans and 10 Americans with 1000 Bangladeshis. It was between 10 Americans and 1000 Bangladeshis and taken in the round, I'd rather have 1000 Bangladeshis living than 10 Americans. Now clearly, there is a fair amount of hyperbole in my question but the point is this: By restricting questions to the population/food nexus, it's possible (and it's no accident that it happens constantly on this website) to overlook to calamitous imposition which Americans (and British, and Japanese, and French) place upon the environment. The regularity with which threads like this is depressing (but explicable) because it offloads the responsibilities of imbeciles like Cheshire onto the "3rd-world". "It's their fault! It's their fault!" they shout but it's not. It's your fucking fault and it's my fucking fault. This isn't, of course, to say that population growth in the global south is not a problem but it's a problem which needs to be seen in perspective.


Where exactly did I post that it wasn't my fault ? Of course its my fault for being a winner in the geographical birth lottery . Then again if you are not a hunter - gatherer you too are art of the problem. Since h/g people are not noted for being internet savvy I suggest you go rent an industrial strength winch and use it to remove your head from your ass . You sanctimonius cunt.

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