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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Feb 2008, 20:30:44

Koran says that the earth is flat

And the sun is flat too, according to the Koran!

Religious fanaticism is not only dangerous....it can be very amusing!
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby mekrob » Mon 18 Feb 2008, 21:06:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')oran says that the earth is flat


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')#1608;الارض بعد ذلك دحاها


And we have made the Earth wide (da7a-ha). Da7a in general means to widen or make bigger. But a more complete definition is to inflate or increase in general size (دحا البطن - the stomach grew larger) or could even allude to the connected word ad7iyah which means an ostrich's egg, thus saying the Earth is similar in shape to an egg (not a sphere, but three dimensional).

So the verse does not talk about increasing in just one or two dimensions but about all three and even alludes to the actual shape (egg, which is fairly accurate since the Earth is not a perfect sphere).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the sun is flat too, according to the Koran!


And I care any more about his idiotic opinion that has no basis on reality and the Qur'an than I do your opinion?

But it's not like you've ever posted anything with any substance; only BS like what you've shown here where you go completely off topic.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Feb 2008, 23:05:20

Fadhel Al-Sa’d: "The sun circles the Earth because it is smaller than the Earth, as is evident in Koranic verses.....What I say is based on Koranic science.... I reject categorically – the modern science that they teach in schools. This science is a heretic innovation that has no confirmation in the Koran. No verse in the Koran indicates that the Earth is round or that it rotates. Anything that has no indication in the Koran is false."


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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 00:17:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'I') assume you mean that Cheney planned the bomb in Bali, London, Spain, etc.

Again, please leave your fantasies in your bedroom. I'm referring to occurances like these:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n Thursday morning in Arab Jabour, southeast of Baghdad, the U.S. military dropped 38 bombs with 40,000 pounds of explosives in 10 minutes Washington Post

Get with the program. Car bombing is minor league. You want to be a real terrorist, you've got to fly the stars and stripes.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby mekrob » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 00:58:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')olling Eyes


You can roll your eyes like the idiot that you are, but that doesn't change the fact that this guy's opinions are not based on the Qur'an or any Islamic work. The Qur'an is quite clear in that the Earth is not flat but spherical-ish and this has been verified by many very prominent scholars like ibn Taimiya, b. Hazm, b. Al-Jawzi, etc. One of the major reasons for the advancement of spherical trig was because of the need of Muslims to pray to Mecca and given that they knew we lived on a 3-d surface, they began works on the field.

But I imagine you'll bring out the exact same quote or another quote in "refutation" of what's been the historic norm for nearly all Muslims for more than a thousand years - that the Earth is round and that this is held up, if not put forth, by the Qur'an as well as many of the leading scholars on Islam and the Arabic language.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 01:02:38

Muslims in Gaza exhorted to "bomb and slaughter" Danes because a Danish newspaper republished a political cartoon showing Muhammad

Muhammad cartoon redux

The Muhammad cartoon nuttiness is starting again....I hope we don't have weeks of riots and attacks on Danish cheese and pastry again.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby mekrob » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 01:21:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'M')uslims in Gaza exhorted to "bomb and slaughter" Danes because a Danish newspaper republished a political cartoon showing Muhammad

Muhammad cartoon redux

The Muhammad cartoon nuttiness is starting again....I hope we don't have weeks of riots and attacks on Danish cheese and pastry again.


Dude, you're getting unbelievably way off topic, even for you. Feel free to create another thread, but this has no bearing on the original topic or any other posts on this thread.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 01:31:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he Muhammad cartoon nuttiness is starting again....I hope we don't have weeks of riots and attacks on Danish cheese and pastry again.


Yeah. I can see what you mean. What a pain in the butt having to watch riots on your 60" flat screen. Probably give you so much indigestion you can only eat half your steak.

That's way worse than having your country invaded and blown to bits, watching your kids grow up with 17 years of dodging cluster bombs, your wife detained and raped by the "liberating" soldiers. Completely irrational and senseless that anyone would want to interrupt your sit coms. Must be because a violent religion that makes them hate you. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with anything you did. You're just an innocent consumer. :roll:
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Plantagenet » Tue 19 Feb 2008, 03:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')You're just an innocent consumer. :roll:



Sure. I eat the occasional slice of Gouda cheese from Denmark.

How about you.....don't you innocently consume anything?

After all, virtually everybody on earth is a consumer.....and a producer.

Its part of the human condition.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Fishman » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 12:08:15

Sorry Smallpox Girl, you don't get any points for "playing fair" in war. Remember those embassy bombings, or was that "fantasy" in my bedroom?. Dearest, it seem YOU are living in a "fantasy in your bedroom". Accepting the reality that this is a nasty mess with folks who want to kill us would really mess up you day.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:53:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')ccepting the reality that this is a nasty mess with folks who want to kill us would really mess up you day.


Absolutely they want to kill you. They want to kill you because you are occupying their country and killing their neighbors, and I don't blame them for it one bit.
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby Fishman » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 18:03:47

I assume that statement goes for the entirety of 1992 - present? Including the Clinton administration?
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Re: Morality of Water Torture

Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 22 Feb 2008, 20:10:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'I') assume that statement goes for the entirety of 1992 - present? Including the Clinton administration?

Absolutely. Madeline Albright had the entire Muslim world in uproar with her "We think it was absolutely worth starving 500,000 Iraqi children to death in order to punish Sadam." statement.
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CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby mattduke » Mon 20 Apr 2009, 18:45:21

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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby Schmuto » Mon 20 Apr 2009, 18:50:30

I suppose the first 182 times didn't elicit the information he was hiding.
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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby Fishman » Mon 20 Apr 2009, 20:19:47

Loved the comments afterward, no historical perspective. Waterboarding vs decapitation, you call it.
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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 20 Apr 2009, 21:36:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'I') suppose the first 182 times didn't elicit the information he was hiding.


I shouldn't laugh but.......ROTFL.
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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby mattduke » Tue 21 Apr 2009, 08:57:48

Should CIA employees that torture people like this be released back into our society?
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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby AgentR » Tue 21 Apr 2009, 09:35:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'S')hould CIA employees that torture people like this be released back into our society?


I don't see why not. We're as complicit as they. Just because time has taken the edge from our lust for blood and revenge doesn't imply that we can turn around and play the part of the offended, just and honorable, person.

Maybe you personally would like to stake a claim to not being amongst those that lusted for blood and revenge; but that makes you unrepresentative of society as a whole. Society wanted them nuked into the stone age; cooler heads prevailed and so we shot and bombed a few hundred thousand and tortured a few thousand others.

Now we're pulling back our rage and finding ourselves a little embarrassed.
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Re: CIA waterboarded one individual 183 times in a month

Postby obixman » Tue 21 Apr 2009, 11:02:02

One definition of insanity is performing the same action over and over again and expecting different results.

183 times and you think you're going to get different results?

Several years I read a book by the most effective Luftwaffe interegator of WWII.

He got all his information by being friends with the airmen he questioned - no harsh methods, just talking and correlating information. Damn effective and timely.
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